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Intel Haswell Leaked Pics

damn...i cant wait till 2013, i'll have to get an Ivy and hope its not a huge mistake (as in, Intel is going to kill LGA1155 soon after).
 
How is it that the thermal area of chips keeps getting smaller and smaller 😵? or am I just an AMD noob?

I'm pretty sure my e8500 had a whole plate covering the top area.
 
Borealis7 said:
damn...i cant wait till 2013, i'll have to get an Ivy and hope its not a huge mistake (as in, Intel is going to kill LGA1155 soon after).
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That is why i am Holding on to my X58 system for another year. What is wrong with INTEL to keep changing sockets like that 🙁
 
RavenSEAL said:
How is it that the thermal area of chips keeps getting smaller and smaller 😵? or am I just an AMD noob?

I'm pretty sure my e8500 had a whole plate covering the top area.
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That's just a shot of each of the processors without the IHS (integrated heat spreader) glued on. It is added after manufacture to both protect the bare silicon die.

I think, if I remember correctely, the i7 CPU's that come in Macs have the IHS left off. Retail Intel CPUs all get one added. Most (all?) mobile Intel CPUs do not have an added IHS but it is not anticipated that the customer will be responsible for assembling these.
 
Lepton87 said:
What's impressive about it? Maybe from a shareholder perspective small die size is impressive. Instead of giving us more cores they're increasing margins by decreasing die size.
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the die size looks exactly the same going from ivy to haswell and no the share holders are happy they get 20% more performance and 50% less power draw.

This chip is going to sell like crazzy in the laptop market
 
grkM3 said:
This chip is going to sell like crazzy in the laptop market
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Not just Laptop market, desktop as well....Low power, high performance, and probably better overclock-able. what's not to like for desktops.

AMD has no answer to this puppy 🙂
 
grkM3 said:
the die size looks exactly the same going from ivy to haswell and no the share holders are happy they get 20% more performance and 50% less power draw.

This chip is going to sell like crazzy in the laptop market
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50% less power consumption? Wrong. Haswell is going to have a higher TDP than Ivy Bridge, probably because of AVX2. I compared the die size to SB not IB. Ever since Nehalem with every new architecture Intel is decreasing the die size. Unfortunately AMD is so uncompetitive that they can do that and still sell like hotcakes.
 
Lepton87 said:
50% less power consumption? Wrong. Haswell is going to have a higher TDP than Ivy Bridge, probably because of AVX2. I compared the die size to SB not IB. Ever since Nehalem with every new architecture Intel is decreasing the die size. Unfortunately AMD is so uncompetitive that they can do that and still sell like hotcakes.
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I dont know where you are getting your facts but you are wrong.22nm was said that it would give the same performance at almost half the power draw over sandy,that is what ivy is all about,a more efficient sandy.

haswell from the get go is all about ultra portable and ultra effiecient and its main target is the ultra books.

watch the 2 hour long videos of the 2011 intel IDF shows and watch the compudex videos and see what intel is saying about ivy and haswell.

Ill bet you any amount of money that haswell will draw less power than sandy/ivy

and of course going from sandy to ivy is going to have a smaller die,they are shrinking the node and haswell looks exaclty the same size as ivy on the same 22nm node with more gpu performance and increased ipc and better power efficiency.What more do the share holders want?I heard 3 week plus connected standby on haswell ultra books

If you want more cores buy a socket 2011 setup,no one is holding you back.

lol you need to do some reading

Intel promises '20X' power reduction with 'Haswell' chips


http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/13/haswell_at_adc_2011/
 
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20x power reduction is probably related to lower power performance states. It mostly benefits the portable computers, of course 🙂
 
Magic Carpet said:
20x power reduction is probably related to lower power performance states. It mostly benefits the portable computers, of course 🙂
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not even that.
"We've targeted Haswell's design not just for lower power, but for architecting a system-level power-managemnent framework that's supported by efficient systems design throughout the ecosystem that has the opportunity to reduce the platform power by a factor of more than 20 over our current designs."
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Lepton87 said:
What does standby power have to do with TDP? There's been a leak that TDP for top mainstream CPUs will go back to 95W.

http://www.pcsmax.com/many-details-about-intel-haswell-leaked-112527.html
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I took this out of your own article


Targeting primarily the Ultrabooks, Intel Haswell will consume 30% less than the previous generation of Core i

The top end tdp will have a more powerful gpu and from memory there will be 3 different gpus to choose from when buying a haswell
 
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facetime said:
That is why i am Holding on to my X58 system for another year. What is wrong with INTEL to keep changing sockets like that 🙁
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Nothing.
What would you do if Ivybridge/Sandybridge were on Socket 1156 or 1366? Buy another motherboard, because your X58 chipset wouldn't support them.

Changing sockets, if anything, keeps things cleaner for end users. The only thing it "prevents" is buying a new motherboard and using an old CPU. Not many people (although a handful) would really have interest in doing that. The only time it was really remotely useful was the transition from AGP to PCIe.

You want a new CPU? You need a new CHIPSET not a new socket. Complain about chipsets not sockets.
 
Lepton87 said:
I meant desktop processors which TDP is supposed to be 95W up from 77W of Ivy-Bridge.
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There will be 3 different gpus to choose from when buying haswell,even for desktop people will have the choice of what gpu they want and how much power the chip will consume.

the top tdp chip has a more powerful gpu.

taking the gpu out of the packege,haswell draws a lot less power over ivy and makes sandy look like a prescott in power/performance
 
Lonyo said:
Nothing.
What would you do if Ivybridge/Sandybridge were on Socket 1156 or 1366? Buy another motherboard, because your X58 chipset wouldn't support them.

Changing sockets, if anything, keeps things cleaner for end users. The only thing it "prevents" is buying a new motherboard and using an old CPU. Not many people (although a handful) would really have interest in doing that. The only time it was really remotely useful was the transition from AGP to PCIe.

You want a new CPU? You need a new CHIPSET not a new socket. Complain about chipsets not sockets.
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The end user does not care how it works, as long as it works 🙂
 
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facetime said:
That is why i am Holding on to my X58 system for another year. What is wrong with INTEL to keep changing sockets like that 🙁
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1155/1156 = dual channel
1336 = tripple channel
2011 = quad channel

It's very simple...more channels = more lanes = more pins.

And the 1155/1156 was due to a way different chip so it needed different voltages/pin layout.

It is really that simple.
 
grkM3 said:
I dont know where you are getting your facts but you are wrong.22nm was said that it would give the same performance at almost half the power draw over sandy,that is what ivy is all about,a more efficient sandy.
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That was NEVER claimed by Intel. The comparison was on a transistor level, and that was at 0.7V. And we just assumed it'll be half power next gen. Only LFM(Low Frequency Mode) runs that low. LFM is at 800MHz for mobiles and 1.6GHz for desktops.

And I believe it has to do with configurable TDP. Based on the information out there so far, cTDPdown runs close to LFM frequency.

Meaning 22nm is really about enabling options for new circuitry. I'm pretty sure we'll see cool stuff that wasn't possible otherwise, just that the public understands it way differently. Previous process advances were said to reduce power by 30% at same performance. Yet the TDP stayed the same.
 
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