Intel has $55.9B record year, ships 46M tablets

[AtenRa]

Someone mentioned Quanta's temash tablet as an example of intel's contra-revenue killing possible sales.

Lets be clear here. This is not a case of contra revenue killing sales. This is a case of that tablet being equipped with a CPU and igp so slow that BT would smash it out of the water.

1 Ghz dual core + 225 mhz igp? The CPU is dog slow and the igp isn't really better than Bobcat or BT. Why would a consumer choose this thing?

http://liliputing.com/2013/06/quant...rototype-powered-by-amd-temash-cpu-video.html



This is a high end device with a dog slow CPU.

As far as design wins this is how it works.



Nobody wanted it. Its that simple. There is no conspiracy. It was simply overpriced and $300 for a 1 ghz dual core bobcat is not worth it.

Quantas AMD Temash Windows Tablet was showcased over 6+ months before any Intel BayTrail Windows Tablets were released in Retail.

Also, dual core Temash A4-1200 (3.9W TDP Dual Core 1GHz with 128 GCN Shader Cores at 225MHz) was faster than its predecessor the AMD Z-60 (4.5W TDP Dual Core 1GHz with 80 VLIW-5 80 Shader Cores at 280MHz) in CPU performance and especially in GPU.

Not to mention that even A4-1200 iGPU was faster than BayTrail Z3770 months before BayTrail was even released.

Although BayTrail was good for android Tablets, it was not the reason nobody produced any AMD Windows Tablets from 2013 onwards.

 

[AtenRa]

What's the actual power consumption? That's the only thing that I care about.

Perhaps a comparison of Bay Trail-M and Beema would be helpful if somebody can find one?

A 15W TDP beema is close to performance and power usage to Intel 15W TDP Haswell-U 2+2(single Memory channel).

 

[Arachnotronic]

A 15W TDP beema is close to performance and power usage to Intel 15W TDP Haswell-U 2+2(single Memory channel).

Performance in what sense? GPU, singlethread CPU, multithreaded CPU, etc.?

Also, is that the lowest end Haswell-U against best-binned Beema, or is that best Haswell-U? I find it hard to believe that it's the latter...

 

[Sweepr]

Someone mentioned Quanta's temash tablet as an example of intel's contra-revenue killing possible sales.

Lets be clear here. This is not a case of contra revenue killing sales. This is a case of that tablet being equipped with a CPU and igp so slow that BT would smash it out of the water.

1 Ghz dual core + 225 mhz igp? The CPU is dog slow and the igp isn't really better than Bobcat or BT. Why would a consumer choose this thing?

http://liliputing.com/2013/06/quant...rototype-powered-by-amd-temash-cpu-video.html

As far as design wins this is how it works.

Nobody wanted it. Its that simple. There is no conspiracy. It was simply overpriced and $300 for a 1 ghz dual core bobcat is not worth it.

This is a high end device with a dog slow CPU.

Pretty much the only tablet design win was the crappy MSI W20. The CPU was abysmally slow and capped at 600MHz to improve battery life and even then ASUS T100's battery lasted longer with smaller battery capacity. The somewhat faster GPU (only comparison I saw were CB11.5 OpenGL scores) could't deliver better gaming performance than Bay Trail either (probably cause it was CPU limited most of the time - gaming results come from a Temash-based Toshiba notebook, not the ill fated MSI W20).

And here we are in 2015, where the usual suspects who criticized Intel for their Core M Llama Mountain reference design scores are still touting the nowhere to be seen Mullins as a Bay Trail-killer based on 11.6'' Discovery Tablet reference design preview scores (bulky design compared to the vast list of thin and fanless 7-9'' Bay Trail tablets out there) with zero power consumption measurements. If someone was using Core M Llama Mountain reference design scores results and comparing it to Beema/Carrizo-L in actual products I bet the reactions would be different.

 

[AtenRa]

Performance in what sense? GPU, singlethread CPU, multithreaded CPU, etc.?

Also, is that the lowest end Haswell-U against best-binned Beema, or is that best Haswell-U? I find it hard to believe that it's the latter...

AMD A8-6410 15W TDP SoC
http://www.notebookcheck.net/HP-Pavilion-13-a093na-x360-Convertible-Review-Update.130928.0.html

Intel Core i3 4030U 15W CPU
http://www.notebookcheck.net/HP-Pavilion-13-a000ng-x360-Convertible-Review.127351.0.html

Very close performance with the Core i3 to have a small lead but A8-6410 has the lead in Battery run time (both using a 43wh battery).

 

[frozentundra123456]

I wont go into individual benchmarks, but a direct quote from the article about the beema model "actually, only the multi-threaded performance is on par, while the Intel CPU performs significantly better in single threaded tasks."

 

[NTMBK]

AMD A8-6410 15W TDP SoC
http://www.notebookcheck.net/HP-Pavilion-13-a093na-x360-Convertible-Review-Update.130928.0.html

Intel Core i3 4030U 15W CPU
http://www.notebookcheck.net/HP-Pavilion-13-a000ng-x360-Convertible-Review.127351.0.html

Very close performance with the Core i3 to have a small lead but A8-6410 has the lead in Battery run time (both using a 43wh battery).

So you're comparing it with an SKU which doesn't even have Turbo Boost enabled? Cool.

 

[AtenRa]

So you're comparing it with an SKU which doesn't even have Turbo Boost enabled? Cool.

And ?? Beema will not use turbo in MT loads.

 

[mrmt]

So you're comparing it with an SKU which doesn't even have Turbo Boost enabled? Cool.

There are far better Haswell-U SKUs up in the stack. Go i5 or i7 and Beema gets smocked big time because of the bigger iGPU and faster turbo speeds.

 

[AtenRa]

There are far better Haswell-U SKUs up in the stack. Go i5 or i7 and Beema gets smocked big time because of the bigger iGPU and faster turbo speeds.

No kidding

 

[AtenRa]

I wont go into individual benchmarks, but a direct quote from the article about the beema model "actually, only the multi-threaded performance is on par, while the Intel CPU performs significantly better in single threaded tasks."

If you care so much about single thread performance, Mullins 2.4GHz single thread will be way faster than BayTrails 2.4GHz. In fact BayTrail ST at 2.4GHz is close to Mullins 1.5-1.6GHz.

 

[ShintaiDK]

AMD A8-6410 15W TDP SoC
http://www.notebookcheck.net/HP-Pavilion-13-a093na-x360-Convertible-Review-Update.130928.0.html

Intel Core i3 4030U 15W CPU
http://www.notebookcheck.net/HP-Pavilion-13-a000ng-x360-Convertible-Review.127351.0.html

Very close performance with the Core i3 to have a small lead but A8-6410 has the lead in Battery run time (both using a 43wh battery).

Very close in what? Graphics?
Cinebench Single: 49 vs 75.
Cinebench Multi: 165 vs 192
PCmark7: 1892 vs 3349

 

[witeken]

Bay Trail's TDP is probably closer to 2.8W (SDP of 2W).

 

[Phynaz]

Wow, the ADF posts about how well AMD is doing and talks about how many design wins they have. Now suddenly there's no retail products available and its some how's Intel's fault. Why didn't those wins turn into products?

But wait, we've had people right in this thread post about how superior the AMD products are. Surely they are worth a $20 price premium if they are that good? Maybe the product just isn't that good.

Never AMD's fault. They are 100% perfect and it's just because of big bad Intel that they are in the condition they are in.

Did I miss anything before the usual people move the goal posts again?

 

[Sweepr]

In fact BayTrail ST at 2.4GHz is close to Mullins 1.5-1.6GHz.

Actually Pentium J1900 (2GHz, up to 2.41GHz Turbo) vs Athlon 5350 (2.05GHz) benchmarks suggest that both are fairly close. Kabini tends to have a small lead (<10%) but their CPU scores are definitelly in the same ballpark. There's also a faster Pentium J2900 (2.41GHz, up to 2.67GHz Turbo) out there, too bad there's few reviews.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Wow, the ADF posts about how well AMD is doing and talks about how many design wins they have. Now suddenly there's no retail products available and its some how's Intel's fault. Why didn't those wins turn into products?

But wait, we've had people right in this thread post about how superior the AMD products are. Surely they are worth a $20 price premium if they are that good? Maybe the product just isn't that good.

Never AMD's fault. They are 100% perfect and it's just because of big bad Intel that they are in the condition they are in.

Did I miss anything before the usual people move the goal posts again?

Pretty much covered it. Tho you may have excluded that the next AMD product fixes everything.

 

[AtenRa]

Very close in what? Graphics?
Cinebench Single: 49 vs 75.
Cinebench Multi: 165 vs 192
PCmark7: 1892 vs 3349

A8-6410
http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-A-Series-A8-6410-Notebook-Processor.122644.0.html

Core i3 4030U
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Core-i3-4030U-Notebook-Processor.115078.0.html

Dont cherry pick

 

[Phynaz]

Pretty much covered it. Tho you may have excluded that the next AMD product fixes everything.

Yeah, theres always that. Comparing mythical AMD products to products that are for sale now.

Think there's any chance they will stop crapping in an Intel thread?

 

[AtenRa]

Actually Pentium J1900 (2GHz, up to 2.41GHz Turbo) vs Athlon 5350 (2.05GHz) benchmarks suggest that both are fairly close. Kabini tends to have a small lead (<10%) but their CPU scores are definitelly in the same ballpark. There's also a faster Pentium J2900 (2.41GHz, up to 2.67GHz Turbo) out there, too bad there's few reviews.

I was talking about single thread.

 

[Phynaz]

There's a goal post move right there folks ()

 

[AtenRa]

There's a goal post move right there folks ()

You should check your eyes then

If you care so much about single thread performance, Mullins 2.4GHz single thread will be way faster than BayTrails 2.4GHz. In fact BayTrail ST at 2.4GHz is close to Mullins 1.5-1.6GHz.

 

[NTMBK]

There are far better Haswell-U SKUs up in the stack. Go i5 or i7 and Beema gets smocked big time because of the bigger iGPU and faster turbo speeds.

That's the point I was making, yes Turbo makes a massive difference in thermally constrained devices.

 

[R0H1T]

There's a goal post move right there folks ()

Oh sure ST scores matter only when Intel's in the lead

Oh btw there's a saying at my place ~

You can wake someone up only when he's asleep never someone pretending to be, you can enjoy your regular digs at AMD & try to convince everyone on this forum (not that it's too hard of a job to do here) how every company out there strives (rather should) to drive their competition out of business err into obsolescence or irrelevance using any number of means at their disposal.

 

[Abwx]

Actually Pentium J1900 (2GHz, up to 2.41GHz Turbo) vs Athlon 5350 (2.05GHz) benchmarks suggest that both are fairly close. Kabini tends to have a small lead (<10%) but their CPU scores are definitelly in the same ballpark. There's also a faster Pentium J2900 (2.41GHz, up to 2.67GHz Turbo) out there, too bad there's few reviews.

Thoses chips are not that thermaly constrained, to get a better picture check AnandT s review of Mullins, there s a Transformer 100 and a qualcomm snapdragon 805 for comparison.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7974/...hitecture-a10-micro-6700t-performance-preview

 

[Sweepr]

I was talking about single thread.

2GHz (up to 2.41GHz Turbo) Pentium J1900 beat 1.6GHz Athlon 5150 in pretty much every ST benchmark @ AnandTech. I'm sure you might be able to find benchmarks that favour AMD's architecture but overall there's no way it takes a 2.4GHz Silvermont to match 1.5-1.6GHz Jaguar in common tasks. Also, <10W BTs have nothing to do with 15W Haswell-U from the comparisons above.

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph8067/64170.png
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph8067/64172.png