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LittleNemoNES

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Towards thee I roll, thou all-destroying but unconquering Intel; to the last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee-

Damn, I'm sorry to rant but I wanted this CPU to be better than what H's benchies showed...

Why? Because I want better performance for my games -- don't care who gives it.

:( :( :(

I need to live with this till next year.
 
DrMrLordX

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Why are you complaining? That benchmark you read was obviously GPU-limited. Go look up compgeek1's Oblivion tests are high res on a Crossfire setup and watch Conroe crush an overclocked Opteron. His results were amazing.
 
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Duvie

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Originally posted by: DrMrLordX
Why are you complaining? That benchmark you read was obviously GPU-limited. Go look up compgeek1's Obliion tests are high res on a Crossfire setup and watch Conroe crush an overclocked Opteron. His results were amazing.
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lets still remember ppl that SLI users and crossfire users (especially ones buying 2 of each companies top of th eline vid card) are a small niche...MOst gamers (may not be the "extreme") only run one card. So for those ppl this test ie REAL.....get over it...

If you want to game but dont want to drop a load of cash on SLI or crossfire system, dont throw that AMD chip away yet!!!!
 
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DrMrLordX

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Look at the OP's signature. He's got a Crossfire setup and could easily benefit from having a nice overclocked Conroe while running Oblivion. I was talking to him, not the 99.9% of the gaming population with inferior hardware.
 
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Duvie

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Originally posted by: DrMrLordX
Look at the OP's signature. He's got a Crossfire setup and could easily benefit from having a nice overclocked Conroe while running Oblivion. I was talking to him, not the 99.9% of the gaming population with inferior hardware.
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I see and I agree......He is the obvious that rare few that can reap the BIG benefits of C2D's prowess...
 
DrMrLordX

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Yeah. For lusers like me still running an AGP 6800NU, Conroe doesn't represent a big step forward in the gaming department.
 
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Stoneburner

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is it really safe to assume X-fire or sli will be all that much greater? probably more than 2 FPS but probably nowhere near the 20% increase at low res
 
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Duvie

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Originally posted by: Stoneburner
is it really safe to assume X-fire or sli will be all that much greater? probably more than 2 FPS but probably nowhere near the 20% increase at low res
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you are right...merely for the fact that it cannot take advantage of both of the cores.....If 20% is the status quo in gaming I think it would be about 10%
 
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P229SAS

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After reading a few pages of the other thread about the HOCP review, it sounds like to me there are a few folks who are pissed that C2D is not turning out to be the AMD killer they were hoping for. Even still, if I were buying a gaming rig now I would still get a C2D due to the 65nm/overclockability/future-proofness of it. After the way AMD has dominated the gaming department for the last few years, I am shocked that people are not rejoicing over the fact that Intel now at least compares directly with AMD. And now that they have finally got their heads out of their backsides, there should be more healthy competition and not as much complacency with releasing new technology/better pricing. As a gamer/multitasker, it would be great to see new architecture every 2-3 years. Also, I think Intel really screwed up by not giving the XE some extra features or something to reward the investment because now all one has to do is buy a decent motherboard with a E6600 and in 5 minutes turn it into an XE.
 
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Duvie

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Originally posted by: DrMrLordX
Take a look at this and make your own judgements:

http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=28&threadid=1875692&enterthread=y

This shows what an overclocked Conroe can do for you vs an overclocked Opteron at the same clock speed when running 7900 GTs in SLI. Of course, whether or not you trust compgeek89's testing methodology is up to you.
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INteresting half the true gaming test showed little to nothing but elder scrols and fear were BIG!!!
 
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Stoneburner

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I dont see a pattern as to what games can expect benefits with conroe + multi gpus... some newer games benefit, some dont, some older games benefit, some dont, quake 4 is supposedly dual core optimized, but doesn't seem to improve much.

AMD might take back the gaming crown with k8l. Anyway, conroe is still a remarkable chip and if you aren't encoding video you aren't living. You also have to consider that... a64 was not that much better than p4c at gaming. From my recollection it was not that AMD improved greatly at gaming (the climb was linear and steady) but that prescott just blew chunks at it, worse than the p4c's in most cases. So this is still a solid showing by intel.



EDIT: I may be blind but as for the encoding tests does it state what the file sizes were? I can't find it anywhere.
 
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wilki24

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Yeah. For lusers like me still running an AGP 6800NU, Conroe doesn't represent a big step forward in the gaming department.
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You're not going to see an improvement until you get a new video card, regardless of the CPU you choose.
 
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DaveSimmons

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What makes Core 2 attractive to me is the power draw, 40-50 watts less than standard X2's (see the techreport article).

It uses the same power under load as the paper-launch 35 watt X2 3800+ while offering much better performance.

A bit faster, and a lot cooler and quieter. I'm still happy with my X2 4200+ for gaming, but I'll probably be getting a Core 2 soon for a near-silent but fast work machine.
 
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n7

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I find it funny how people expected a magical performance boost with C2D @ 1600x1200+ :laugh:

Games are GPU-limited at high resolutions & settings; this is OFN anyone should know.

There will be little benefit in games unless you are running SLI/CF at some stupidly low rez like 1280x1024.

However, for everything non-gaming, C2D pwns :D
 
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Duvie

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Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
What makes Core 2 attractive to me is the power draw, 40-50 watts less than standard X2's (see the techreport article).

It uses the same power under load as the paper-launch 35 watt X2 3800+ while offering much better performance.

A bit faster, and a lot cooler and quieter. I'm still happy with my X2 4200+ for gaming, but I'll probably be getting a Core 2 soon for a near-silent but fast work machine.
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Little scared about TechReport saying their mild Oc required such a boost ion vcore and hit 70c!!!

I hope it is just bios temp reading issues... Even my P4 northwood 130nm w/ 1.58v @3.5GHZ didn't hit 70c.....
 
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dexvx

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I find it odd that theres a huge spread between test results.

Even thepower draw results from TechReport/HardOCP didnt even come close to matching (delta from the E6700 and the X2-3800EE).
 
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DaveSimmons

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Originally posted by: dexvx
I find it odd that theres a huge spread between test results.

Even thepower draw results from TechReport/HardOCP didnt even come close to matching (delta from the E6700 and the X2-3800EE).
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Good point, the results are _very_ different with HardOCP seeing a wide gap between X2 3800EE and the Core 2's, while TechReport has them almost the same.

We may have to wait for someone with more expertise in this area, like SilentPCReview.com, to give us more reliable answers.

And at least the X2 3800EE is finally starting to trickle out of AMD, even if in single-digit quantities.
 
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rmed64

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You people actually expected such a big difference at resolutions 1600x1200 and higher?

Are yall on crack? This is a cpu, not a gpu.

The higher the res, the less performance advantage you will see for now.

Wait till R600 and G80 comes out and you will see even more increases.

AT review did good showing 640x480 (taking the strain off GPU) game tests which showed a 22% - 55% performance advantage for Intel

Use thy brain
 
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