Intel fans: Word on Intel's plans for new PIII's

[NOS440]

This stuff about Intel having to catch up with AMD the T-Bird release was a catch up on AMD's part because the Athlon couldn't compete any longer with the P-3 because of the L-2 cache and the duran was because the K-6 line couldn't touch the celeron. Now the t-bird/duran has a slight advantage and its Intel's turn to do something. Oh and in my Opinion the new Celeron is Junk But hey I never buy on the low end anyway.


Zephyr the Athlon is a year old now lets give up the new technolgie bull. Its never going to get any better support unless AMD get off there duff and develops a Compiler to let software developers take advantage of it period. This is what I'm talking about the Athlon is stronger in brute force. But it has no real support to take advantage of it. the software that 99% of the people use are optimised for SSE and its because Intel spent a fortune Promoting and developing it. AMD should learn from this and get to work. Also on the Motherboard front they need to do the same thing. Its there job to help companies like VIA and ALI to develop chipsets that will take full advantage of there processor and have good compatibily. Do you really think that Intel will not do this with the DDR Sdram chipsets that they will not be able to produce in house I bet they will bend over backwards to help them.

What Intel does with hardware and software developer is just smart business. Its no different then what Nvidia and 3DFX does to help game Developer write games that take advantage of there Video card features.

These are the reasons that I dumped the Athlon. Because in my Opinion its not a better all around System.

 

[NOS440]

Zephyr I was just checking something and found something funning to date you have made 14 posts in this forum in the last 2 day's before that you never posted here. out of those 14 posts 10 were in reply to me. So I guess I have a reason to feel special.




Zephyr

Junior Member Date Posted: Jul/23/2000 5:33 PM

NOS

Wow arn't we feeling special?

I comment on AMD vs Intel issues whenever I see someone post something i disagree with.

 

[cdrakejr]

Nos440,

You remind me of the old saying, "Don't confuse me with the facts."

You have every right to your opinions, but you play fast and loose with the facts. If you are going to make statements like 99% of something, then show us the source you base such a statement on. Otherwise it's just so many words tossed out to sound good.

Your statement had to do with SSE being such an advantage of Intel over AMD, well ZDNet didn't think so:

"....But given the relatively small performance gains, we do suggest considering alternatives--including systems based on AMD's K6-3..." The SSE Advantage, ZDNet, Feb. 26, 1999

I won't even attempt to list the numerous reviews, reports, and benchmarks comparing Intel and AMD processors. Which apparently you either haven't read or have dismissed out of hand.

I have no illusions about changing your opinion, but would appreciate an intelligent and informed expression of that opinion.

 

[NOS440]

Well when quoting I would appreciate a rescent quote that pertains to the subject at hand. The quote your using was a review about the then new SSE that really didn't make alot of difference at release. But now it is a WELL KNOWN FACT THAT SSE IS WHAT LEVELS THE PLAYING FIELD BETWEEN AMD AND INTEL. I have and will continue to state that the Athlon has better Processing power than the P-3 in a raw state. But intel's promotion of compilers for its SSE and special instructions for the P-3 have saved it and almost make them equal and in alot of cases as in 3d gaming the P-3 is faster. So if your going to quote make sure it applies to the current state of the industry please.

 

[Zephyr]

NOS

You're overlooking an important fact when you talk about all the stuff that Intels is doing and AMD should be doing. Ressources! AS you yourself correctly stated AMD doesn't have ressources that can compare to those of Intel in any way. If AMD should do all of these things they would have to cut back elsewhere... should they cut back on R&D? IMO no! AMD does what they do best and that is to desing microprocessors. They leave what to do with htem to others which is IMO how it should be. The only reason this can be a problem is Intels presense on the market and their obvious lack of simple business ethics.

What I think AMD needs to do, is to realize that chipsets are to vital to "outsource" to thirdparty manufacturers like Via. Again Intel is to blame. They, like with the AMD750 motherboard fisco, will go out of their way to hinder AMD from gaining support rather than focusing on deveoping a better product to compete with AMD. This is a very sad path Intel has chosen and personally I hope some form of govermental institution will smack them down for it eventually!

As for feeling special, did I ever claim that I had been posting here much before? (I don't think I did) Besides you made the effort to look into the matter so I guess I can feel special too

 

[NOS440]

You are special. And guess what I agree with you !!!!!! Now get up off the floor I know that was a shock.

 

[Zephyr]

Uhm.. ehm.. well.... I'm speachless

Didn't see that one comming

 

[NOS440]

LOL I thought that would jolt ya

 

[cdrakejr]

NOS440:
Yawn! More of the same.
You still make gratuitous statements. If you believe the situation has changed back it up with sources.

 

[NOS440]

Whatever dude I don't have to please you. If you don't like my opinion and don't have anything but year and a half old quotes from lame a$$ ZDnet to counter with then go away.

 

[sandorski]

SSE has 99% support of software?! I'd be shocked if it exceeded 20%!

 

[NOS440]

I'd be shocked if you used 20% of your brain !!!

 

[cdrakejr]

It's abundantly clear to most of us how much of your brain you're using!

 

[NOS440]

Yea yea whatever

 

[sandorski]

Hehe, as a matter of fact I do use less than 20% of my brain as do you. At least scientists say so!

Give it up guy, I'm not biting.

 

[Insane3D]

NOS440- The other day you were saying how you just say your opinion about things and that's all. You seem to be picking fights with more and more people...what's up with that? I've noticed that no one seems to be attacking you back..what gives? Are you becoming a troll?

 

[Mikewarrior2]

its just like hte question i had up above...

is Nos440 related to Hyper99?



Mike

 

[NOS440]

No I just don't like people who won't except the cold hard truth that the "7th gegeration CPU can't beat a 6th generation CPU by any sizeable amount" and all this intel is going down the tubes and there such a terrible company and AMD is a savoir to us all. If intel went under tommorow AMD would be just as bad if not worse than Intel ever was.

 

[Zephyr]

"the 7th gegeration CPU can't beat a 6th generation CPU by any sizeable amount"

Well actually that depends on how you define "beat". If you're stricly looking at benchmarks such as Sissoft Sandra, BacpCo Sysmark, or Q3A you're right it doesn't beat it by a sizeable amnount. However if you turn to scientific benchmarks like Linpacks, MD or Flops you will see the K7 beat the P6 by quite a bit. Also in professional 3D apps the K7 pulls away from the P6.

 

[ragiepew]

Id hate to burst some people's bubbles about the so called ".13um" p3 running @ 1.4Ghz... that is just plain wrong. Intel shrunk "some" of the p3 to a .13process but the main process is still .18um. Intel dosent even have the right fab equipment to do a .13um core. .13 will happen when Willy hits hit, not p3. All intel did was shirnk the die size from 102mm2 to about 90mm2 for the p3... that will allow them to increase the speed to 1.113ghz (not 1.3) w/o dissipating too much heat and remaining stable. just thought id clarify some things...

btw nos440... you have no earthly clue about what is coming out of your mouth!

[sarcasm]That was just my opinion, not ment to be against anyone in particular...[/sarcasm]

 

[NOS440]

Yes your right in certain benchmarks that mean nothing to real world perfomance they do win by a good amount. But what does this have to do with anything that the normal PC user does as in play games, run Photoshop make web pages run MS office and on and on. I think nothing. I have said it many times I agree that the T-Bird is a better brute strength Processor. But overall I think the P-3 makes a Just as good performance and alot less finicky system and better for most users.

 

[ragiepew]

NOS- You know there are some people that do actual work on computers... right?? I mean, actual work, not that Office bullshit. Now for some reason you dont think that this actual work is "real world" stuff. I know a great deal of CAD users and 3dstudio users who would love to talk to you about how important a "brute" triple pipelined FPU Athlon whipes the floor w/ a single pipelined FPU P3. O but you seem to be stuck w/ playing games, i guess it wont matter to you then...

Real world should be defined as what you do on a day to day basis... if all you do is play games that doesnt mean that is all I do. If i run 3dstudio everyday for 5+ hours, wouldnt that make it "real world" for me? If it would, then the Athlon stomps the crud out of a p3. This is just to point out to you that even though the athlon is only 1-2% faster than a p3 in some areas... in others it whipes the floor w/ it. The opposite cannot be said for the P3.

alin

 

[NOS440]

I will say it again that is correct. But the NORMAL EVERYDAY USER DOESN"T USE THOSE PROGRAM's only professional Computer Users and I believe most of them are still using Dual P-3's But that is just a guess.

Also I will venture to say that you most likely you have never used those programs for 5 hours a day if you have what are you doing on this board where most of us are gamers and Overclocker's

 

[Shuxclams]

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/zd/20000726/tc/intel-sdram_should_rambus_be_scared__1.html



<< RDRAM, for its part, still hasn't shown much of a performance advantage. Even Intel's own numbers suggest
RDRAM equals or is only slightly better than PC133. Intel recently posted benchmarks on its site, which
showed a PC with its 815E chip set and PC133 memory coming out ahead of a PC with its 820 chip set and
RDRAM in 11 of 14 tests.&quot; >>


Didnt I see that the dual VIA 133A chipset with PC133MHz beat out Intels dual CPU chipset+RDRAM in a couple instances? Also what the hell does this mean?



<< &quot;Spokesman George Alfs said Intel wants to ensure that the Pentium 4 &quot;is accessible
to everyone with a variety of chip sets and memory types.&quot; He added that the PC133 chip set for Pentium 4
will be available next year.&quot; >>



Followed by...

<< &quot;The Pentium 4, formerly known by the code-name Willamette, will ship this fall, likely in October, at 1.4GHz,
followed by a 1.3GHz offering.&quot; >>



So you will only be able to get a P4 with RDRAM MoBo's at first? NO WAY! I am going Athlon all the way......



SHUX

 

[NOS440]

Sorry to hear it dude I feel for ya just kiddin so don't let it ruffle everyone's feathers.