Intel doesn't have a REAL dual core processor.

[VIAN]

According to this link, Intel uses two seperate cores under the heat spreader.

http://www.digitimes.com/mobos/a2005060282057.html

 

[keeleysam]

Welcome to two months ago! Have a nice stay!

But seriously. This is true. The reason they need a new socet for it is becasue it is basically dual processors on one socet, and the cores cannot directly talk to one another.

 

[kb3edk]

Haha this reminds me a little of the Pentium Pro way back in the day, Intel etched the core and the cache for it on two separate dies and then bonded them together... the defect rate was spectacularly high.

I'll probably be getting my A64 X2 fairly soon since I'm such an AMD fanboy but realistically Intel is going to sell a whole lot more Pentium Ds than AMD will sell X2s... from a combination of AMD's capacity bottleneck and Intel's marketing superiority.

-Adam in Philly

 

[AnImuS]

Originally posted by: keeleysam
Welcome to two months ago! Have a nice stay!

 

[dmens]

Henri Richard, senior vice president for worldwide sales and marketing of AMD

way to echo amd propaganda

dual core is defined as two cores in one package. only retard fanboys would allow the term to be hijacked for ads.

 

[CheesePoofs]

Originally posted by: dmens
Henri Richard, senior vice president for worldwide sales and marketing of AMD

way to echo amd propaganda

dual core is defined as two cores in one package. only retard fanboys would allow the term to be hijacked for ads.

..... says the intel fanboy

 

[dmens]

maybe one of these days you'll learn enough to get off the FUD. its pathetic to see fanboys parrot blatant PR as gospel truth.

 

[CheesePoofs]

Originally posted by: dmens
pfft. all marketers are liars, intel or amd.

maybe one of these days you'll learn enough to get off the FUD. its pathetic to see fanboys parrot blatant PR as gospel truth.

If you're referring to me by that, I'm not saying you're wrong, I was just pointing out that you were saying that even though you are clearly an intel fanboy. You work for intel, right?

 

[dmens]

whats your point? i still use a barton desktop and a powerbook g4. and the sweet, sweet centrino work laptop. i know enough to find my way out of the bullshit storm.

 

[AnandThenMan]

Not this again. It is well established by anyone that knows even the slightest thing about microprocessor design that the Intel "dual core" chip is not actually a dual core at all but a twin core design. Intel knows it, you know it, I know it, everyone but joe dumbass Dell user knows it.

Companies like Industrial Light & Magic, Dreamworks and many others also know it.

Intel thinks so much of the their design that they are replacing it as soon as possible.

 

[dmens]

and the cores cannot directly talk to one another

actually, they can.

not actually a dual core at all but a twin core design

care to explain the difference?

 

[AnandThenMan]

It's really quite simple. The Pentium D is literally 2 cores glued to a single backing with interconnects between them. One core could work on it's own easily because it almost exactly the same as a standard prescott. So if one of the "cores" failed Intel could just break off the bad core and make a single core chip.

AMD uses a true dual core system, where each core is connected to arbitration silicon ON THE SAME DIE. You can' take part of the core out of the X2 die, it is integrated from the start. It is all minted on the same die, not glued together afterwords. AMD was forward looking in making the Opteron/Athlon64 designed for dual core. The crossbar switch has always had a second connection but it was not being used. It is not only designed for dual cores, but more than 2 actually.

Go look for yourself.

http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=141&type=expert

 

[dmens]

sorry to break it to ya, but there's arbitration logic on the smithfield die. stop redefining the term "dual core", or using "true dual core". get that revisionist crap out of my face.

as for X2's inability to be chopped into single cores, thats just too damn bad. good luck on yields.

 

[harpy82]

Originally posted by: dmens
sorry to break it to ya, but there's arbitration logic on the smithfield die. its stupidly primitive since it was a rush job, but its there. and stop redefining the term "dual core", or using "true dual core". get that revisionist crap out of my face.

as for X2's inability to be chopped into single cores, thats just too damn bad. good luck on yields.

wat's so bad about not chopping down dual cores ??? dual cores are meant NOT to be chopped down..... if u can ( like intel as they said)... it is not dual core...

stop trying to make urself sound right.... the more u do.. the more nOOb u sound like....

 

[AnandThenMan]

Originally posted by: dmens
sorry to break it to ya, but there's arbitration logic on the smithfield die.

INCORRECT. There is arbitration logic on EACH SEPERATE unit NOT on the SAME DIE. See the difference there? Oh wait you can't because it doesn't further your "point"

 

[dmens]

two cores in one die. one piece of silicon. ONE DIE. OMG.

and since when were dual cores not "meant" to be chopped? who the hell decided that they are not "real dual core" if they can be chopped? is there a moral dilemma here? wtf are you talking about? shit, going by that definition, modular cores are not "real multicore solutions".

 

[Chode Messiah]

What they were saying was that the amd is made where the cores areintegrated into each other, and all subsystems are shared, therefore lowering latencies. We are saying Intel rushed their dual-core and made it lame.

 

[dmens]

 

[clarkey01]

Originally posted by: dmens
yeah well, didnt have much to work with. stupid netburst. we all know smithfield is not a clean solution. but its still dual core. get that into your thick skulls, fanboys.

Funny you rip your own core but it'll sell millions anyhow....If only CPU's sold by thier performance hay.

 

[BlingBlingArsch]

my two cents:

Intel desktop CPUs suck these days.
dmens is a funny freak.
AMD has better products for me.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: BlingBlingArsch
my two cents:

Intel desktop CPUs suck these days.
dmens is a funny freak.
AMD has better products for me.

Nice. Shows your ignorance. When it comes to single-core, an Intel 6xx is a great cpu for heavy multi-tasking. For dual-core, a A64 X2 is the way to go.

 

[Jeff7181]

Apparently maturity isn't a quality Intel looks for in it's employees.

 

[clarkey01]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Apparently maturity isn't a quality Intel looks for in it's employees.

I dont agree

 

[VIAN]

way to echo amd propaganda

dual core is defined as two cores in one package. only retard fanboys would allow the term to be hijacked for ads.

Not in my book. And the book of the people is what makes the word what it is.

yeah well, didnt have much to work with. stupid netburst. we all know smithfield is not a clean solution. but its still dual core. get that into your thick skulls, fanboys.

It's a wannabe dual core.

EDIT: Alright, I'll agree with you, that it is dual core. But it just shows how much Intel doesn't care. Instead of taking the time to do things right, they release a half-assed chip. Not that bad actually, because you still have some latency cuts compared to two seperate sockets, but they still could've done better, and give it another bus while they're at it.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Chode Messiah
What they were saying was that the amd is made where the cores areintegrated into each other, and all subsystems are shared, therefore lowering latencies. We are saying Intel rushed their dual-core and made it lame.

...And your credentials in CPU design to back up this claim that the Pentium D is "lame" and not a "true dual core" are... ?

I didn't think so.

It is so easy to spot the fanboys.