Intel DG33FB - Windows 98 wont install

[tmbsundar]

Hi

I assembled a new PC with Intel Core 2 Duo E4600 and Intel DG33FB.

XP with SP2 installs and works fine...

I wanted to install windows 98....I removed xp and tried to install win98 SE.

I used a win 98 boot cd to start up..It starts up..But, it gives an error message...

Device Driver Not Found :'MSCD001'
No drivers found;Aborting installation
No valid CDROM device drivers selected

I use a IDE DVD Writer SONY Model DRU190A

I have put the jumper as cable select and connected the IDE cable as master....There is only one IDE slot in the mobo...

My harddrive is in SATA 0 port..

 

[Mark R]

You need the CD-ROM drive driver.

In the fairly certain event that your DVD-writer didn't come with DOS drivers, you could try the free drivers from here. Stick the driver files on a bootable floppy and make the appropriate modifications to the CONFIG.SYS file.

As an aside, why do you want to use Win98? Much of your hardware won't have drivers for Win98, which will mean terrible performance, if you can even get things to work at all. Not least, Win98 doesn't support dual core CPUs. It will run, but one core will be disabled.

I hope you like running Windows in 640x480 16 colors - because that's all you're going to get, unless you use an ancient graphics card with win98 drivers.

 

[Tweakin]

I would love to hear why you want to run 98?

 

[Quiksilver]

LOL!
Windows 98 on a brand new machine, what the hell is the point of buying new hardware for that piece of crap.

 

[tmbsundar]

Thanks for the replies....................

I have developed a software for a client's machine which is running off almost 3 years stable in a Win 98 machine...Of late their machine is showing up the age...And they asked me to replace it...

My idea was to dual boot the new pc...let the S/W run on xp ...And switch to 98 in case the S/W has any issues running on xp...I have to provide remote support on this...

Wanted to go with 98 as a back up because our S/W was never tested or developed in XP....

Gradually I plan to move to XP SP2 and later is needed Vista...

 

[tmbsundar]

I hear that I will face these kind of issues if I go with 98 in this new PC:

* No Core 2 Support
* Cant support SATA
* Cant support High RAM (>512 MB) - I have Dual Channel 2 GB
* Intel Device Drivers will not be available

Pls suggest me if it is worth the effort to get the gcdrom.sys and all that needed to make it work...Since my aim is stability of SW in the client's place...I am confused now if going with Win 98 might be riskier than XP in this new PC?

 

[wonderflu]

I actually had a very similar situation with some business software of mine. If your client requires no special hardware, your best bet is definitely VMware Workstationor something equivalent. It'll run Windows 98 flawlessly, with a minor speed hit that's more than compensated by the speed of the new computer. A license is ~$200 or something, but it's more than worth it.

 

[vailr]

Did you try running the software in "Win98 compatibility mode" under XP?
Should work fine that way, unless you're using something ancient: an ISA card, a serial port device, or maybe a parallel port dot-matrix printer.
Otherwise: VMware Workstation For Windows - $189.00
http://www.majorgeeks.com/VMwa...For_Windows_d2845.html

 

[Chiropteran]

Originally posted by: wonderflu
I actually had a very similar situation with some business software of mine. If your client requires no special hardware, your best bet is definitely VMware Workstationor something equivalent. It'll run Windows 98 flawlessly, with a minor speed hit that's more than compensated by the speed of the new computer. A license is ~$200 or something, but it's more than worth it.

I'd agree with this suggestion. You can also try VMware Server (free), Virtualbox (free), Microsoft Virtual PC 2007 (free).

 

[VirtualLarry]

Get a cheap used P4 system with an a 845 or 865PE chipset, and run Win98SE and XP on that.

 

[tcsenter]

Originally posted by: tmbsundar
Pls suggest me if it is worth the effort to get the gcdrom.sys and all that needed to make it work...Since my aim is stability of SW in the client's place...I am confused now if going with Win 98 might be riskier than XP in this new PC?

Its very unlikely that DOS drivers for the DVD drive will be your only significant hurdle to running 9x on this hardware.

Your best bet for a "new" (and available) motherboard would be VIA chipset such as PT880 Pro/Ultra, P4M800 Pro, P4M890, P4M900, K8M800, and K8M890. ASRock has this VIA PT880 Pro/Ultra board that is excellent for builds with legacy needs:

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=4CoreDual-SATA2">4CoreDual-SATA2
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Also, its predecessor only differs in the Southbridge used (VT8237A v. VT8237S): 4CoreDual-VSTA

Both received BIOS updates as recently as March 2008, though probably will receive a final BIOS soon (if not already). When used with more mature hardware (i.e. not the latest generation), both boards are very stable.

VIA has recent 98/ME drivers for the core chipset functionality; AGP, SATA, IDE/ATA, LAN, and USB. Drivers will be lacking for HD Audio and PCI Express interface, which I suspect you don't care much about, anyway. And of course, 98SE can't support dual or quad core processors. Everything else is supported by 98SE and relevant updates/patches from MS, which you can obtain in one stand-alone update developed by a third-party.

The only caveat for SATA is that you may need to set the SATA controller in BIOS to RAID mode to install 98SE, even if not using RAID. You can still setup non-RAID disks through the RAID BIOS, but I'm not certain of the procedure. If not using SATA drives, then its a non-issue.

As for other VIA chipsets mentioned, there may be additional limitations to consider:

-P4M800 Pro and K8M800 support AGP 8x/4x interface for graphics cards and 98/ME drivers are also available for the IGP in both chipsets.

-K8M890 and P4M890 do not support AGP cards, leaving only conventional PCI video cards or the IGP as viable options for 98/ME (VIA has 98/ME drivers for P4M890 and K8M890 IGP).

-P4M900 does not support AGP and does not have 98/ME drivers for the P4M900 IGP, leaving conventional PCI video card as the only option there.

However, since all use the same Southbridge(s) as the ASRock PT880 board, 98/ME drivers for integrated SATA, IDE/ATA, LAN, and USB are available from VIA (unless the device is provided by another chip vendor such as Realtek).

Depending on availability in your region, other "new" options could be:

PC CHIPS M848A V5.0 Socket A/462 SiS 746FX ATX (I've used a few of these with no problems)

ASRock K8S8X Socket 754 SIS 755 ATX

You might be able to find the ECS 755-A2 (a.k.a. PC CHIPS M870 V2.0) in stock somewhere, which also use the SIS 755 chipset.

If you can't find anything else, I still have a 755-A2/M870V2 new in box I'd be willing to part with, as well as CPUs and RAM to go with it.

 

[Twsmit]

Virtualization is key here, otherwise get a 3 or 4 year old computer refurbished/used. Modern hardware is not designed for Win9x in mind, if it were me I would try VMware/Virtualbox/VirtualPC 2007 all free all should do what you need without rebooting.

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: tmbsundar
I assembled a new PC with Intel Core 2 Duo E4600 and Intel DG33FB.
...
Device Driver Not Found :'MSCD001'
No drivers found;Aborting installation
No valid CDROM device drivers selected

The normal DOS mode CDROM drivers need the CDROM on native controllers. The EIDE controller on G33 boards are from a third party chipset.

 

[Jessica69]

Have you tried moving your jumper on the CD-ROM from cable select to the master position? Wouldn't be the first time I've seen cable select give a problem with Win 98.