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So we get 14++ desktop CPUs for ~2 more years!It's not going to clock anywhere near 14++ does, but it doesn't have to for mobile, especially with this decent IPC gain.
So we get 14++ desktop CPUs for ~2 more years!It's not going to clock anywhere near 14++ does, but it doesn't have to for mobile, especially with this decent IPC gain.
Not a chance, imo.So we get 14++ desktop CPUs for ~2 more years!
It's a year before Icelake mobile. Desktop Icelake would be at least a year after that. A backport of Icelake would means Intel knew 10nm was in trouble in the R&D stage!Not a chance, imo.
We'll see some form of desktop 10nm before 2 years.
How do you think Israel is producing 14nm?Intel did say they took 10 nm capacity away and converted it to 14 nm...
The 20 Desktop is probably still Tigerlake on the Fake 10 nm, even if it doesn't clock that high/worse than AMD. The new consoles will be out then, so I reckon Intel will want to juice the core counts above 8.So we get 14++ desktop CPUs for ~2 more years!
It's going to be Comet Lake (up to 10 cores) according to a leaker on a Chinese message board.The 20 Desktop is probably still Tigerlake on the Fake 10 nm, even if it doesn't clock that high/worse than AMD. The new consoles will be out then, so I reckon Intel will want to juice the core counts above 8.
Kind of silly. First we are stuck with quads for way too long and then they go the other way and put on "too many" cores?It's going to be Comet Lake (up to 10 cores) according to a leaker on a Chinese message board.
If they are going to use Comet on desktop, I imagine that would be for 19.It's going to be Comet Lake (up to 10 cores) according to a leaker on a Chinese message board.
Well, they demoed a 10nm 2 in 1 laptop in January of 2017. They certainly knew of the problems with the node before then.It's a year before Icelake mobile. Desktop Icelake would be at least a year after that. A backport of Icelake would means Intel knew 10nm was in trouble in the R&D stage!
Intel has released a product brief for the XMM 7660 Modem, it is based on 14nm unlike 10nm as previously reported by SemiAccurate(Charlie)
https://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en/documents/product-briefs/xmm-7660-brief.pdf
He's been right a number of times. Let's say half the timeAnother example for the incredibility of Semiaccurate/Charlie.
The Skylake Architect in an interview admitted they basically redid Skylake 3 times (I think) during development. What they actually changed beyond the removal of the FIVR and AVX-512 support from Client is unknown.There were sayings Skylake had to have its architecture modified to account for the underperforming 14nm process, so maybe not everything was rosy as we could have got few % faster uarch.
No, not when you look as a whole. While Broadwell was seriously delayed, Skylake brought most back. Haswell refresh was only for desktops so it doesn't really count.14 nm was at least a full year of a delay; hence Haswell Refresh.
There was a speculation by Hiroshige Goto at PC Watch that Skylake likely had to be designed for higher frequencies(likely with higher number of pipeline stages and circuitry tweaks) because the 14nm wasn't up to par.The Skylake Architect in an interview admitted they basically redid Skylake 3 times (I think) during development.
That's not true, Haswell Refresh launch in Q2 14 included new desktop and laptop parts. Now they did paper launch Broadwell in Q3-Q4 in mobile and a full launch with laptops in Q1 15.Haswell refresh was only for desktops so it doesn't really count.
The Haswell "Refresh" wasn't even a refresh for mobile. It included a 100MHz clock bump. The fact that they introduced Broadwell a quarter or two later further solidifies that.That's not true, Haswell Refresh launch in Q2 14 included new desktop and laptop parts. Now they did paper launch Broadwell in Q3-Q4 in mobile and a full launch with laptops in Q1 15.
Yeah that's why I am saying 6 months.If you look at mass availability of mobile it came to be in Q1 of 2015.
Glad they're making some progress. It's really time for them to move off of Skylake.Dell XPS 7390 2-in-1
Genuine Intel(R) CPU 0000 @ 1.60GHz (4C 8T 1.69GHz/1.6GHz 5% OC, 4x 512kB L2, 8MB L3)
Intel(R) UHD Graphics, Gen11 LP (512SP 64C 900MHz, 1MB L2, 3.1GB) (OpenCL)
http://ranker.sisoftware.net/show_system.php?q=cea598ab9cac9bae9bbddae7cafbddaf92a385ecd1e1c7af92a284fcc1f1d7b2d7eadafc8fb28a&l=en
From these entries we can see that OEMs received fully enabled 4+2 ICL-U samples and are working on it.
Can someone please translate the results comparing to current skylake architecture with the same frequency?Dell XPS 7390 2-in-1
Genuine Intel(R) CPU 0000 @ 1.60GHz (4C 8T 1.69GHz/1.6GHz 5% OC, 4x 512kB L2, 8MB L3)
Intel(R) UHD Graphics, Gen11 LP (512SP 64C 900MHz, 1MB L2, 3.1GB) (OpenCL)
http://ranker.sisoftware.net/show_system.php?q=cea598ab9cac9bae9bbddae7cafbddaf92a385ecd1e1c7af92a284fcc1f1d7b2d7eadafc8fb28a&l=en
From these entries we can see that OEMs received fully enabled 4+2 ICL-U samples and are working on it.
Nice, as long as it can be properly cooled and clocks to the moon, I'll take it.It's going to be Comet Lake (up to 10 cores) according to a leaker on a Chinese message board.