Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread

[TheF34RChannel]

Mobile Coffee Lake won't arrive until 1Q 2018, so those are still a ways out.

Yeah they are. Above I referred to Coffee Lake-S.

 

[TheF34RChannel]

It's still eerily quiet surrounding Coffee Lake-S... No new news, leaks, what not... Seems like it'll be October...

 

[mikk]

Yes we have to wait a little bit longer. I hope Intel showcase or announce something in August prior to the launch in Q4.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Yes we have to wait a little bit longer. I hope Intel showcase or announce something in August prior to the launch in Q4.

My guess is that they paper launch at GamesCom and then availability follows in Q4.

 

[TheF34RChannel]

My guess is that they paper launch at GamesCom and then availability follows in Q4.

My thoughts exactly. I would have pressed like, but I don't like this idea ha ha! I wanted to build it come August. I despise paper launches.

 

[mikk]

My guess is that they paper launch at GamesCom and then availability follows in Q4.

It could be, I mean the rumoured August date was a paper launch or OEM partner introduction date for advertising. Even though Gamescom isn't a safe bet because as we know the leaked partner slide said August-September. The real launch will follow in Q4.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

How late in Q4 do you guys think it will be before we see the 8700K (or whatever the top SKU is called)?

 

[TheF34RChannel]

How late in Q4 do you guys think it will be before we see the 8700K (or whatever the top SKU is called)?

If announced in August it cannot be too far away so we may actually see September or worst case scenario October. I don't think it'll be much later than that.

They should reserve the 8700K moniker for the 4C and name the 6C something like 8760K.

 

[Eddward]

Do you really think they will distinguish 4C and 6C part only in the 3rd digit? Generally there is no reason to use 3rd digit for mainstream SKUs and definitely not in such case.
Anyway, strong rumors from MB vendors are talking about October, but nothing is set in stone yet.
August is probably too soon considering January Kaby Lake launch.

 

[Bouowmx]

My speculation for Coffee Lake. Note, "All" for all-core Turbo Boost frequency, not base.

|               |       |    | F (GHz)   |         |           |
| Model         | Cores | HT | All | Max | L3 (MB) | Power (W) |
|---------------|-------|----|-----|-----|---------|-----------|
| Core i7-8700K | 6     | ✓  | 4.2 | 4.5 | 12      | 95        |
| Core i7-8700  | 6     | ✓  | 4.0 | 4.2 | 12      | 95        |
| Core i5-8600K | 6     |    | 4.1 | 4.3 | 9       | 95        |
| Core i5-8600  | 6     |    | 4.0 | 4.2 | 9       | 95        |
| Core i5-8500K | 4     | ✓  | 4.4 | 4.5 | 8       | 95        |
| Core i5-8500  | 4     | ✓  | 4.0 | 4.2 | 8       | 65        |
| Core i5-8400  | 4     | ✓  | 3.7 | 3.9 | 8       | 65        |
| Core i3-8350K | 4     |    | 3.8 | 4.0 | 6       | 95        |
| Core i3-8300  | 4     |    | 3.7 | 3.9 | 6       | 65        |
| Core i3-8100  | 4     |    | 3.4 | 3.6 | 4 low!  | 65        |
| Pentium G4720 | 2     | ✓  | 3.8 |     | 3       | 51        |
| Pentium G4700 | 2     | ✓  | 3.7 |     | 3       | 51        |
| Pentium G4660 | 2     | ✓  | 3.6 |     | 3       | 51        |
| Celeron G4020 | 2     |    | 3.1 |     | 2       | 51        |
| Celeron G4000 | 2     |    | 3.0 |     | 2       | 51        |

Possibilities for Pentium and Celeron: unlocked models (Celeron 20th anniversary: who would want a 2-thread processor though?), 14 nm + rebrand, or 10 nm Cannon Lake that is not efficient enough for mobile.

 

[Arachnotronic]

I think with the top Coffee Lake "K" SKU, Intel will push past 4.5GHz single-core turbo.

 

[StinkyPinky]

I don't think they will do non-HT 6-core cpus. I think the 6-core will be their high end and they'll just do one K version and one non-K version and that's it.

 

[JoeRambo]

New I don't think they will do non-HT 6-core cpus. I think the 6-core will be their high end and they'll just do one K version and one non-K version and that's it.

Intel is no longer driven by engineering, but rather by corporate MBA types, so let's not underestimate their market segmentation skillz. 9MB L3 version was in circulation, so they can segment even harder, by releasing 8600K with HT, but 9MB of L3 etc.

 

[TheF34RChannel]

Do you really think they will distinguish 4C and 6C part only in the 3rd digit? Generally there is no reason to use 3rd digit for mainstream SKUs and definitely not in such case.
Anyway, strong rumors from MB vendors are talking about October, but nothing is set in stone yet.
August is probably too soon considering January Kaby Lake launch.

8800K then, I honestly don't care what they call it

Yeah, October is the likeliest, with an August paper launch.

 

[ndtech]

14++ is 10% faster than 14+
my speculation:
base / turbo-all / turbo-1
95W - 4.0 / 4.3 / 4.9 - Core i7-8700K
65W - 3.6 / 3.9 / 4.6 - Core i7-8700

 

[LTC8K6]

Maybe the 6C one with less cache has EDRAM?

 

[mikk]

4.2 or 4.3 6C Turbo is too optimistic I think, I mean it's almost as high as 4C Kabylake with the same TDP. I don't expect higher than 4.0 Ghz for 6C Turbo.

 

[plopke]

I am a little bit sceptical to see 4+GHZ base all core in the 95W bracket on a 6 core part for this October out of the box. Would be awesome, but are you guys not putting a bit too much hype on it ?.I do expect them to overclock far beyond that level. Correct me if I am wrong, 14++ does not really change anything drastic about power efficiency? The 7700K was already out of the box a bit too hot for the more casual people.

PS just noticed @mikk post , what he said

 

[LTC8K6]

7700K is 4.2 on 4 cores at 91W on 14nm+.

It doesn't seem impossible have 4.0 on 6 cores with 14nm++ on the best chips.

I don't expect it, though.

 

[mikk]

7700K is 4.2 on 4 cores at 91W on 14nm+.

It doesn't seem impossible have 4.0 on 6 cores with 14nm++ on the best chips.

I don't expect it, though.

7700k is running with 4.4 Ghz 4C Turbo.

 

[LTC8K6]

7700k is running with 4.4 Ghz 4C Turbo.

Yes, but I don't care about turbo, only base. Turbo is not continuous. But as you say, the 7700K can run 4.4 with 4 cores at 91W TDP.

So it still doesn't seem a stretch to have the best new 6C chips run pretty fast at a 95W TDP.

It would seem odd to have the new chip still be beaten in games by the 7700K.

 

[mikk]

Yes, but I don't care about turbo, only base. Turbo is not continuous. But as you say, the 7700K can run 4.4 with 4 cores at 91W TDP.

Turbo is what matters on desktop, 4.4 Ghz is basically continuous on 7700k. Base clock doesn't really matter there. Without Turbo clock speeds we don't know how fast it really runs.

 

[TheF34RChannel]

The Coffee Lake-S K-part was shown with 4.12GHz if I recall, and that's not yet finalised clocks. It can do better @ 95W TDP and like someone else said, it can't be beaten by the previous chip so it needs to be higher.

 

[LTC8K6]

Turbo is what matters on desktop, 4.4 Ghz is basically continuous on 7700k. Base clock doesn't really matter there. Without Turbo with don't know how fast it really runs.

I looked around and most people seem to report the 7700K staying at 4.5 on all cores when gaming on a Z board. What does a 7700K do at stock/on a non-Z board?

Keep in mind that TDP is determined at the base frequency.

 

[Arachnotronic]

I looked around and most people seem to report the 7700K staying at 4.5 on all cores when gaming on a Z board. What does a 7700K do at stock/on a non-Z board?

Keep in mind that TDP is determined at the base frequency.

7700K's turbo clocks are as follows:

1 core: 4.5GHz
2 core: 4.4GHz
3 core: 4.4GHz
4 core: 4.4GHz

It runs at 4.5GHz on all cores on most Z270 boards because the mobo makers build in a feature that just runs all of the cores at 4.5GHz -- the top single core turbo speed.

They can get away with this because they know each of the cores is validated to run at 4.5GHz, so there is no stability risk.