In short, it is classic paper lounch.
95 percent of users do not need the most expensive motherboards, and especially not the most expensive CPU models.
Intel Alder Lake S Launch - Only Enthusiast CPUs and Z690 Chipset between Oct. 25 and Nov. 19 in 2021, the rest is coming later | igor´sLABDisclaimer: The following article is machine translated from the original German, and has not been edited or checked for errors. Thank you for understanding!www.igorslab.de
Exactly. By that logic, Zen 3 would also have been a paper launch. Launching with the K series is completely fine.It's certainly not a paper launch if we can buy K models only this year, a lot of people will be happy with that. Also this was already known from some leaked roadmaps or Moore's Law Is Dead that we will only get K-models this years. The rest will follow in Q1 2022, this is nothing new.
|Segment||SKU||Cores||Base (GHz)||Single Core Turbo (GHz)||All Core Turbo (GHz)||Cache (MB)||TDP (Watts)||Support for Intel Optane Persistent Memory 200 Series||Intel SGX Enclave Capacity (Per Processor)||Recommended Customer Pricing (USD)||Stepping|
|Xeon Platinum||8380||40||2.3||3.4||3.0||60||270||Yes||512 GB||$8,099||D2|
|Xeon Platinum||8368Q||38||2.6||3.7||3.3||57||270||Yes||512 GB||$6,743||D2|
|Xeon Platinum||8368||38||2.4||3.4||3.2||57||270||Yes||512 GB||$6,302||D2|
|Xeon Platinum||8362||32||2.8||3.6||3.5||48||265||Yes||64 GB||$5,448||D2|
|Xeon Platinum||8360Y||36||2.4||3.5||3.1||54||250||Yes||64 GB||$4,702||D2|
|Xeon Platinum||8352S||32||2.2||3.4||2.8||48||205||Yes||512 GB||$4,046||D2|
|Xeon Platinum||8358||32||2.6||3.4||3.3||48||250||Yes||64 GB||$3,950||D2|
|Xeon Platinum||8358P||32||2.6||3.4||3.2||48||240||Yes||8 GB||$3,950||D2|
|Xeon Platinum||8352M||32||2.3||3.5||2.8||48||185||Yes||64 GB||$3,864||D2|
|Xeon Platinum||8352Y||32||2.2||3.4||2.8||48||205||Yes||64 GB||$3,450||D2|
|Xeon Platinum||8352V||36||2.1||3.5||2.5||54||195||Yes||8 GB||$3,450||D2|
|Xeon Gold||6348||28||2.6||3.5||3.4||42||235||Yes||64 GB||$3,072||D2|
|Xeon Platinum||8351N||36||2.4||3.5||3.1||54||225||Yes||64 GB||$3,027||D2|
|Xeon Gold||6338N||32||2.2||3.5||2.7||48||185||Yes||64 GB||$2,795||D2|
|Xeon Gold||6338T||24||2.1||3.4||2.7||36||165||Yes||64 GB||$2,742||M1|
|Xeon Gold||6338||32||2.0||3.2||2.6||48||205||Yes||64 GB||$2,612||D2|
|Xeon Gold||6314U||32||2.3||3.4||2.9||48||205||Yes||64 GB||$2,600||D2|
|Xeon Gold||6342||24||2.8||3.5||3.3||36||230||Yes||64 GB||$2,529||M1|
|Xeon Gold||6354||18||3.0||3.6||3.6||39||205||Yes||64 GB||$2,445||D2|
|Xeon Gold||6346||16||3.1||3.6||3.6||36||205||Yes||64 GB||$2,300||D2|
|Xeon Gold||6334||8||3.6||3.7||3.6||18||165||Yes||64 GB||$2,214||M1|
|Xeon Gold||6330N||28||2.2||3.4||2.6||42||165||Yes||64 GB||$2,029||D2|
|Xeon Gold||6336Y||24||2.4||3.6||3.0||36||185||Yes||64 GB||$1,977||M1|
|Xeon Gold||6330||28||2.0||3.1||2.6||42||205||Yes||64 GB||$1,894||D2|
|Xeon Gold||5320T||20||2.3||3.5||2.9||30||150||Yes||64 GB||$1,727||M1|
|Xeon Gold||5318S||24||2.1||3.4||2.6||36||165||Yes||512 GB||$1,667||M1|
|Xeon Gold||5320||26||2.2||3.4||2.8||39||185||Yes||64 GB||$1,555||M1|
|Xeon Gold||6312U||24||2.4||3.6||3.1||36||185||Yes||64 GB||$1,450||M1|
|Xeon Gold||5318N||24||2.1||3.4||2.7||36||150||Yes||64 GB||$1,375||M1|
|Xeon Gold||6326||16||2.9||3.5||3.3||24||185||Yes||64 GB||$1,300||M1|
|Xeon Gold||5318Y||24||2.1||3.4||2.6||36||165||Yes||64 GB||$1,273||M1|
|Xeon Silver||4316||20||2.3||3.4||2.8||30||150||No||8 GB||$1,002||M1|
|Xeon Gold||5317||12||3.0||3.6||3.4||18||150||Yes||64 GB||$950||M1|
|Xeon Silver||4314||16||2.4||3.4||2.9||24||135||Yes||8 GB||$694||M1|
|Xeon Silver||4310T||10||2.3||3.4||2.9||15||105||No||8 GB||$555||M1|
|Xeon Silver||4310||12||2.1||3.3||2.7||18||120||No||8 GB||$501||M1|
|Xeon Silver||4309Y||8||2.8||3.6||3.4||12||105||No||8 GB||$501||M1|
Enthusiasts, blah they are in very negligible quantities or numbers.That's not even bad tho? Less SKUs means more chips in SKUs that matter to enthusiasts. What's the point to release whole lineup when mfg is limited and top of the line chips are unavailable?
I would not have minded if AMD had 5950x available earlier at the cost of lower tier CPUs that are of no interest to me personally?
I mean there's nothing really wrong with a 10900K if it does what you want. But there are plenty of "proper enthusiast CPUs for the desktop" on the market right now. And if you like a 10900k you'll probably be okay with an Alder Lake when you just disable the Gracemont cluster. Which, I imagine, will be possible.I am on the fence here about the following: personally I have no usage for the hybrid CPU's (Alder/Meteor/whatever) but there'll come a time when my current setup won't suffice.
Hence I'm considering getting an i9-10900K 10C part and a Z590 Apex of Strix board with a fast RAM kit (not interested in DDR5 for a long while) and use that until there'll be proper enthusiast CPU's for desktop again (if ever...).
Either that of wait and see how these hybrid ones will fare in a few generations time.
Oh that's absolutely possible, however I'm rather liking the 10C at high frequency idea and Alder Lake is 8C tops. I should have added that in the original post, my apologies.I mean there's nothing really wrong with a 10900K if it does what you want. But there are plenty of "proper enthusiast CPUs for the desktop" on the market right now. And if you like a 10900k you'll probably be okay with an Alder Lake when you just disable the Gracemont cluster. Which, I imagine, will be possible.
It amazes me just how little some people value the 40%+ IPC advantage Golden Cove will have over Skylake.Oh that's absolutely possible, however I'm rather liking the 10C at high frequency idea and Alder Lake is 8C tops. I should have added that in the original post, my apologies.
Yeah, going for 10900K especially when upgrading from 8700K is an odd move instead of getting Alder Lake. It will absolutely be faster even when disabling all the small cores (which I'm pretty sure can be done in BIOS)10900k will be slower in ST and MT than 12900k with Gracemont disabled.
With so little known right now, where does the mentioned 40% actually come from architecturally? It feels like a hopeful estimation pulled from the air that is being thrown around on the internet. It's an honest question, not making fun of anyone.
Possibly to likely. It's the mere 8C that doesn't appeal to me. It feels like going from 6 to 8 isn't fruitful. However I realise I should be looking beyond that mere number and at the the whole thing.10900k will be slower in ST and MT than 12900k with Gracemont disabled.
Thank you for the reply, that goes towards everyone by the way.Yeah, going for 10900K especially when upgrading from 8700K is an odd move instead of getting Alder Lake. It will absolutely be faster even when disabling all the small cores (which I'm pretty sure can be done in BIOS)
Ha ha fair enough and the 8700K is a fine chip indeed! My rush came from a 10900K Maybe becoming unavailable when Alder Lake launches. Luckily I did have the common sense to ask the more clever than me people on this forum. Your replies help greatly.Yeah, I get the idea of scratching the itch but I'd just do what some others here did after seeing 10th gen and wretched 11th gen - get a 9900K to drop into your current board and flip the 8700k. Should be doable for $100 or less and you get a new shiny thing for a bit while you wait.
Now, I personally think the 8700K is a fine CPU. Roughly equivalent to a $200+ 10600K even today and you could have had it for what feels like forever at this point.
That's solidly in my "you can probably wait to see Ryzen 3D and ADL results" zone which I'd say is ~3600 Ryzen or better, and at 6C/12T and lots and lots mhz it fits the bill.
Plus, some people here are likely to drop sick 5950x's and 5900x's! That's the only reason I have 5800x now Oh yeah, and my son has a 8700K due to this as well
It might sound high, but competition-wise, 40% is actually low. Rocketlake is 18% over Skylake, so to achieve 40% you need about the same gain. With variants of Zen 3 coming with amazing technologies like the V-cache Intel should be scared if that's all they achieve.With so little known right now, where does the mentioned 40% actually come from architecturally? It feels like a hopeful estimation pulled from the air that is being thrown around on the internet. It's an honest question, not making fun of anyone.
On one side 40% would be more than what they achieved in 5 years until Skylake, on the other hand if the Gracemont leaks are true, with Atom pushing higher than Skylake IPC on common code, then a 4 times bigger core managing maybe 40% more would look very bad.It might sound high, but competition-wise, 40% is actually low. Rocketlake is 18% over Skylake, so to achieve 40% you need about the same gain. With variants of Zen 3 coming with amazing technologies like the V-cache Intel should be scared if that's all they achieve.
Another thing is that there's the Intel slide which say it'll be up to 20% faster in single thread. Before all the weird super high Cinebench leak, we thought it was a reasonable expectation. I personally expected/wanted 25% gains per clock with slightly lower clocks. If you believe the Cinebench leak, Golden Cove might achieve 30-35% gain over Sunny Cove!
No one outside of associates close to Intel and the Intel architects know what the gains are. Consider that Skylake is also a 5-year old architecture.
MT performance also has to be considered with Gracemont. Using them for just background tasks will be of minimal benefit. No, with Skylake+ performance and full support for AVX2 they'll be a powerful adder to MT performance.
If this is true the only good reason I could imagine is that the ddr4 platform won't be specced as good as the ddr5 ones. It really does seem like doing ddr5 first is a huge missed opportunity to make a lot of money. Releasing the ddr4 boards first while also having the same socket upgrade path to ddr5 with just a mobo swap a few months down the line to me sounds like the default strategy intel would have used; a staggered release would generate many extra/repeat sales.Alder Lake looks promising but i think delaying the release of PCIE 4.0/DDR4 motherboard chipsets untill 2022 is a blunder.
I haven't seen anything that suggests that z690 mandates DDR5 and PCIe5. Most boards probably will though.Alder Lake looks promising but i think delaying the release of PCIE 4.0/DDR4 motherboard chipsets untill 2022 is a blunder. I doubt early DDR5 is going to be either good, plentiful, or apropriatly priced vs good DDR4 when these initial SKU's release. In addition, PCIE5 is likely to significanlty increase the cost of the motherboards while most likely being pointless during the time period the platform will be relevent. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see the crap entry level stuff on z690 costing $250ish with more capable boards being well over $300. If TDP is also being pushed (requiring more expensive cooling) the platform cost is going to be way too high. Maybe this matters less when people are willing to pay out the butt for GPU's but I don't like the trend. Hopefully they at least keep the prices competitive on the CPU's even if they have a bit of an edge.
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