+1.Why would Gracemont be closer to Core specifically in AVX? If its capabilities were that good, it would probably support AVX512, so if anything, I expect AVX performance to be a weakness. And also think people should scale back expectations to Skylake IPC level. Kind of funny how fast that went from nearly unheard of to the low end of speculation.
Raja is a joke, and so is your post. Also, I wasn't aware that alder Lake was out and it was a big success.This is the reality. It's completely different between Intel and AMD when it comes to unconfirmed informations in basically every forum. Good leaks from Intel must be fantasy and things like that, there is much more scepticism involved. On AMD a huge hype train will grow and this is also a reason why there are more AMD related fakes in the web historically by the way. It's like that for a very long time, no matter if it was the Bulldozer or Zen+ era. I know that most people don't like what I said given that the big majority is pro AMD but it's reality. DrMrLordX above actually is a good example, he can't deal with it being Raja Koduri (possibly) right on ADL-S and comes up with this spam, some people would never admit he was right.
Raja is a joke, and so is your post. Also, I wasn't aware that alder Lake was out and it was a big success.
I think it has more to do with his past history of overpromising on projects that he worked on and underdelivering. I can't say I have much love for him either, but that'd be true of any company he works at. I suspect that there are probably some hardcore AMD/Radeon fans that are glad he left.Raja is a joke because he works for the devil Intel, right?
He was a joke at AMD as well. Literally nothing he said at AMD came to pass. His reputation precedes going to work at Intel.Raja is a joke because he works for the devil Intel, right? Your response is the biggest joke, at least try harder next time. Reality can be hard sometimes and it was quite expected.
Oh go to hell. I never said Intel was "the devil". Nice projecting. He was a joke at AMD as well. Hell, at least at Intel he didn't say anything too stupid. And what reality? That guy has always been overrated IMO, show me what he has done that is impressive.Raja is a joke because he works for the devil Intel, right? Your response is the biggest joke, at least try harder next time. Reality can be hard sometimes and it was quite expected.
I think that the AVX capabilities with Gracemont have been greatly improved.Why would Gracemont be closer to Core specifically in AVX? If its capabilities were that good, it would probably support AVX512, so if anything, I expect AVX performance to be a weakness. And also think people should scale back expectations to Skylake IPC level. Kind of funny how fast that went from nearly unheard of to the low end of speculation.
Didn't stop the Zen team from delivering a great product without overselling it.they also had no money, this has been covered to death.......
Koduri, who previously served as Intel’s general manager of architecture, graphics and software, is an innovator in GPU computing technology and will now lead the new Accelerated Computing Systems and Graphics Group. Focusing on high performance computing (HPC) and graphics, the new unit is chartered with delivering HPC and graphics products for customers across client, enterprise and data center markets.
Raja will always be Raja. T he question is whether or not Gelsinger will tolerate some of his more-outlandish shenanigans. It should be noted that Koduri has nothing to do with the development of Alder Lake.As much as a like throw stones at Raja, the situation is different.
At AMD he was "the kind that came back", remember? At Intel he is just another hire.
Seems so. Koduri was allegedly jockeying for more power within Intel during the Murthy dust-up. Doesn't seem like he came out all that well by the time Gelsinger replaced Swan. Ah, office politics!Wasn't Raja 'demoted' to mainly the graphics division by Gelsinger? This doesn't read like a promotion.
Probably because Gracemont is curently being "valued" as a heavy hitter in AVX, which is characteristic of big cores meant for desktop/server environments. There's a paradox here, since Gracemont is supposed to be the lean core that takes little space and eats little power. The reasoning is that if you go through the trouble of adding AVX capabilities that rival Sunny Cove, you're no longer making a small core and might as well go all the way. (and lack AVX512 is used here in an attempt to prove to contrary, supposedly means that AVX capabilities in general aren't at SC level)AVX2 performance should be better. Why is 512 being mentioned? It's still a fairly niche instruction set.
Latency has been discussed on this thread as well. The bottom line is we know there will be a penalty to pay, but current data isn't helping us much into establishing a baseline for that penalty. The only semi-relevant information we have so far is the one derived from Lakefield, which is problematic since the chip is aimed at very low power operation and may have been tuned for higher overall latency. (inter-core within the small cluster was ~50ns, jumping to the big core took an extra ~10ns).I am more curious how inter core group switching will be handled. Someone mentioned latency on a comments board a few days ago and I haven't found anything discussing such matters.
That doesn't mean AVX is significantly better than Skylake. It's identical to Skylake.I think that the AVX capabilities with Gracemont have been greatly improved.
Here are some sources, but we should know for sure in a few months:
You are looking at the wrong data. It's 69% of 5900X. To compare to 5950X you have to search for 5950X. It looks like it's 58% of 5950X. That's a long ways to go.EDIT: specifically, the 11900k scored 69% of what the 5950X according to Anandtech. Golden cover is said to be 20% faster, but let’s say it is only 10% faster…
That's precisely what I thought. I'm not sure what he was angling for during said dust-up because Murthy was made redundant for deceiving Swan and Co about everything. Gelsinger tapping former Intel employees to come back is interesting enough to warrant a separate thread. Refresh my memory, aside from those all star employees moving on, didn't Murthy fire a few thousand engineers in various points of their career?Seems so. Koduri was allegedly jockeying for more power within Intel during the Murthy dust-up. Doesn't seem like he came out all that well by the time Gelsinger replaced Swan. Ah, office politics!
I'm confused by this sentence. When you say GC I'm assuming you mean Golden Cove right? But Golden Cove is the high performance core so how could it be groomed into replacing Cove cores when it's already a Cove core?The counter-argument one might introduce is that GC is the new "medium" core, which is supposedly being groomed into replacing Cove cores in many products starting with the next generations.
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