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mikk

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I'm still very skeptical about this part. That never showed up on even the most-optimistic of Intel roadmaps. Great for them if it's real.

There are several new sources for TGL-H, the Intel confidential library did add TGL-H in February and there is a Tiger Lake-H Si + Board Upgrade Kit (Alpha) entry on the Economic Union portal.

 

DrMrLordX

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Maybe that's the chip Piednol was referring to earlier? Wonder how many of those Intel can crank out this year? It seems like their best potential product.
 

uzzi38

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I'm still very skeptical about this part. That never showed up on even the most-optimistic of Intel roadmaps. Great for them if it's real.
That configuration specifically has been rumoured for a long time.
 

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By the way, LPDDR4-3733 support for Rocketlake says its also using the memory controller for Icelake.

Some very interesting thing in there. Can anyone guess what it is? ;)
 

mikk

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Maybe the existence of TGL 15W? jpiniero will be surprised that TGL gets 15W SKUs. His track record is so low :tearsofjoy:
 

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By the way, LPDDR4-3733 support for Rocketlake says its also using the memory controller for Icelake.



Some very interesting thing in there. Can anyone guess what it is? ;)
What specifially? I see a lot of interesting stuff in there.

Power draw values for TGL-U UP4 goes up to 41A, whereas 15W TGL-U goes up to 31A? 28W is more boring at 65A.
LPDDR5 dropped

UP3 RKL-U has SGX
15W RKL-U goes up to 88A (lul at potential 105W power draw at stock)
RKL-S up to 245A (jfc, what's that 300W stock values?)
Cache values in line with SNC, which means IPC will be effectively SNC levels, perhaps worse with higher clocks, depends on how things scale.
Memory support on RKL-U seems more reminicent of ICL than TGL or revised CML (hinting towards 10nm I/O / iGPU die a bit more?).
Sharkbay still thinks it's TGL.

Oh and he thinks AMD isn't adopting LPDDR5 this year. Good, I didn't think they were either. But that last bit is off topic I guess.

Have I missed anything?
 
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Wow, I was made of questions about Rocket Lake, and within the span of one week two posts answer pretty much all of them.

I guess Intel doesn't do U/Y anymore and instead refers to the platforms as UP3 (package Type 3, formerly U-Series) and UP4 (package Type 4, formerly Y-Series). That change seems to be mostly about confusing people so they don't notice how drawn out the release schedules have become.

Interesting that TGL-H is GT1 only, but not terribly surprising.
 

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Maybe the existence of TGL 15W? jpiniero will be surprised that TGL gets 15W SKUs. His track record is so low :tearsofjoy:
As I've been saying, Intel's plans are changing daily. Now you got the virus to contend with. Doing a 15W SKU isn't much of a problem given that they were always going to do 28 W models, the question is more how widespread it'll be due to the yield. Same goes for the Tiger-H assuming it does make it to market.

15W RKL-U goes up to 88A (lul at potential 105W power draw at stock)
Remember the rumors about them doing 35-45W SKUs of Rocket U. Maybe Intel won't actually do specific models but design it assuming that some OEMs will configure PL1 that high.
 

uzzi38

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But how much power and heat does it put out ?
You sure you want to know the answer to that question?

If Intel screw up the price ($500+) then DoA.

Oh who am I kidding, CML-S is dead either way. Slayed by the hand of failing roadmaps.
 

mikk

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As I've been saying, Intel's plans are changing daily.
This is nonsense, TGL 15W was in the roadmap from the beginning and this part never changed. There was only one guy who came up with the idea of "TGL-U 28W only" and it was you.
 
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Intel has to return to it's corei 1st gen roots or the 2nd gen or they are doomed for desktop. Mobile they need to keep it monolithic or have the ability too add something to the core similar to the 5th gen.





The starting of the desktop failure:
 

jpiniero

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This is nonsense, TGL 15W was in the roadmap from the beginning and this part never changed. There was only one guy who came up with the idea of "TGL-U 28W only" and it was you.
It was 28 W first, not only. Given Renoir's immanent release, it would definitely of been helpful if they had been able to get the 28 W Tiger U out now/soon as the leaks had suggested instead of whenever.
 

mikk

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It was 28 W first, not only.
It wasn't and you should know it, you are unable to provide a link to this ominous claim because no roadmap existed where TGL-U was 28W only, this story was entirely made up by jpiniero, your track record is a huge disaster.
 

DrMrLordX

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I wouldn't expect TGL-H for this year, next year is more likely.
That would be disappointing. If yields are high enough, Intel could do TigerLake-C and TigerLake-R (or just TigerLake-R) like they did with Broadwell. That would fulfill the uh . . . promise/rumour that Intel would have a 10nm desktop chip in 2020.

That configuration specifically has been rumoured for a long time.
It has, but you think Intel would play it up on their roadmaps if they were serious about launching silicon! Also if they launch it next year (see above) then that would put it in the mix with Rocket Lake and Alder Lake which would be really confusing.

Looks like it beats the 3900x in single, but loses in multi (10 vs 12 cores, or course). But how much power and heat does it put out ? and at what price ?
Compare it to a 9900k in a standard PL1 (165W max) configuration. Should be more educational. Actually it looks like ST is the same as a 9900KS:


That "5.3 GHz" boost that is uh, thermally opportunistic, might be giving it a tiny edge here. Too soon to tell. 9900k was already beating a 3900x in ST anyway though so I'm not sure there's any major story here.
 
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jpiniero

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That would be disappointing. If yields are high enough, Intel could do TigerLake-C and TigerLake-R (or just TigerLake-R) like they did with Broadwell. That would fulfill the uh . . . promise/rumour that Intel would have a 10nm desktop chip in 2020.
Intel said they would release a 10 nm desktop chip. They didn't say when.

It wasn't and you should know it, you are unable to provide a link to this ominous claim because no roadmap existed where TGL-U was 28W only, this story was entirely made up by jpiniero, your track record is a huge disaster.
I have no idea what your obsession with me is. Are you a Intel shareholder? Maybe you should sell your stock...
 

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lobz

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Intel said they would release a 10 nm desktop chip. They didn't say when.
Yeah it's a little bit like your awkward friend who says you can meet at 8 pm, then you call him at 8:45 asking where he is and he answers: I didn't say which day or century.
 

uzzi38

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It has, but you think Intel would play it up on their roadmaps if they were serious about launching silicon! Also if they launch it next year (see above) then that would put it in the mix with Rocket Lake and Alder Lake which would be really confusing.
I don't think any leaked roadmaps go out that far. After all, I'm at least 90% certain TGL-H is also known as TGL-R. Or at least, referenced to in drivers as TGL-R.

Whether that R means refresh or an actual -R type CPU I have no clue (wasn't the latter a BGA desktop product or something? In which case, it kinda makes sense either way...)

I agree on the timeline issue though, I can't make sense of it either. At this point I'm thinking ADL-S is a Q4 2021 product, which gives you:

CML-S - April to June - Q2 2020
RKL-S - Computex(?) - Q1 2021
ADL-S - Q4 2021
MTL-S - Q3 2022 (IMO slightly more unlikely, last three launches are mucked up by delays, I don't think 3Q cadence is normal) or Q4 2022 (return to normal yearly cadence).
 
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