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Intel Core Q12X ?

Don't touch that with a 20 ft pole, it's an ES chip. Without getting into loads of details, just move along and keep looking for a retail 2600K if that's what you're looking for.
 
I know what an ES Chip is but where did that "Q12X" come from.

I understand that anyone selling ES Chips can be prosecuted. May be that's where the term Q12X originated.
 
What's bad about ES cpus?
That i3 looks promising, imagine what kind of clocks it could do with that unlocked multiplier...

Too bad intel locked every processor, while amd lags behind, the hardware market is so boring right now.
 
SammichPG said:
What's bad about ES cpus?
That i3 looks promising, imagine what kind of clocks it could do with that unlocked multiplier...

Too bad intel locked every processor, while amd lags behind, the hardware market is so boring right now.
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ES CPUs can have different functionality and bugs.

CPUs aint locked because AMD lags behind. CPUs have been locked since counterfeiths hit hard back in the Pentium2 days.
 
es chips are technically owned by the maker, so you would be buying stolen property.

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ViRGE bet me to it.
 
Yes ES processors still belong to us. Intel® legal takes an extremely dim view of anyone selling ES processors and even more so a processor that hasn't been released yet. Here is some information on ES processors.
 
one day you sell an ES chip, next morning you wake up in a corn field in Oregon wearing a blue jumpsuit and "Intel Inside" tattooed on your forehead.

"allegedly" 😉
 
ShintaiDK said:
ES CPUs can have different functionality and bugs.

CPUs aint locked because AMD lags behind. CPUs have been locked since counterfeiths hit hard back in the Pentium2 days.
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Locked in the sense that you can't do anything with modern i3 processors, I still have fond memories of my e2160@3.1ghz giving huge performance increases with a simple overclock since they were close to the e6600 for gaming.
Sandy bridge celerons would have been amazing value in the same way if they had been overclockable.

ViRGE said:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2065033

Basically ES processors are Intel's property. So the people selling them are selling stolen property.
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Does it make me a bad person if I say that I don't really have a problem about it? The demand for unlocked i3 processors is there, but they'd rather sell a 2600k

Processor multipliers have been locked since the pentium mmx/k6 days (or even before I can remember) and it's always been about charging a premium on consumers.
At least the current overclock tax "k edition" is cheaper than extreme intel models.
 
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Borealis7 said:
one day you sell an ES chip, next morning you wake up in a corn field in Oregon wearing a blue jumpsuit and "Intel Inside" tattooed on your forehead.

"allegedly" 😉
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No it isn't just a blue Intel® logo to their forehead. We shave them tattooed their whole body blue. Where do you think the Blue Man Group come from? J/K
 
SammichPG said:
Does it make me a bad person if I say that I don't really have a problem about it? The demand for unlocked i3 processors is there, but they'd rather sell a 2600k.
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if u went on the street and saw someone sell a real rolex at like 1/5th the price and bought it would you say thats bad?

you have no history on the rolex yet you know its stolen.


Its all on morality here.
If you want to buy it go ahead, but you were warned.
You will also have no warrenty or customer support on ALL ES's chips.
The support is actually done inhouse, and when they ask for your intel partner number, and u dont have it... well... your going to start some gears rolling on where that chip was sourced and why its not at source.

Basically if u didnt sign a 9-10 page NDA on that processor, it shouldnt be in your hands at all.
 
aigomorla said:
if u went on the street and saw someone sell a real rolex at like 1/5th the price and bought it would you say thats bad?

you have no history on the rolex yet you know its stolen.


Its all on morality here.
If you want to buy it go ahead, but you were warned.
You will also have no warrenty or customer support on ALL ES's chips.
The support is actually done inhouse, and when they ask for your intel partner number, and u dont have it... well... your going to start some gears rolling on where that chip was sourced and why its not at source.

Basically if u didnt sign a 9-10 page NDA on that processor, it shouldnt be in your hands at all.
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You can't possibly say that. Simple case: Man loses everything in some freak accident save the rolex on his wrist and is now homeless. He's trying to rebuild a life for himself. He's the legitimate owner of said rolex, and you have no way to prove otherwise.

ES chips are slightly different, since they're easily identifiable via numerous ways, but still the average consumer isn't going to know what an ES chip is. Understandably that's why Intel has a page up that explains it. But again, most normal consumers have no clue what an ES chip is and/or what makes them different from what you get from Newegg, let alone that there's a website out there that explains all this.
 
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aigomorla said:
if u went on the street and saw someone sell a real rolex at like 1/5th the price and bought it would you say thats bad?

you have no history on the rolex yet you know its stolen.


Its all on morality here.
If you want to buy it go ahead, but you were warned.
You will also have no warrenty or customer support on ALL ES's chips.
The support is actually done inhouse, and when they ask for your intel partner number, and u dont have it... well... your going to start some gears rolling on where that chip was sourced and why its not at source.

Basically if u didnt sign a 9-10 page NDA on that processor, it shouldnt be in your hands at all.
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ES are rare specimens not meant for consumers, I think a better comparsion would be console dev kits which people are totally cool with.
Just because a dreamcast dev kit isn't commercially relevant anymore it doesn't mean that some NDA wasn't broken in the process. :sneaky:
 
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