Intel Core i7 Processor Models and Pricing Revealed!

[Sureshot324]

It's $284 in quantities of 1000 so hopefully retail stores won't price gouge too much when it's released.

 

[solofly]

Originally posted by: Scoop
Am I the only one who noticed the TDP? 130W for all of them? What happened here? Penryn's consumption was looking so good and now they're throwing 130W chips at us AGAIN?

Don't forget the memory controller is onboard now...

 

[exar333]

This may sound stupid, but does anyone know if they plan to release a "Gainestown" server chip that would have all QP interconnects activated that will be compatible on the LGA1366 socket? (similar to the Xeon chips that work in the standard LGA775 sockets currently?)

Just curious...

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: harpoon84

Originally posted by: Scoop
Am I the only one who noticed the TDP? 130W for all of them? What happened here? Penryn's consumption was looking so good and now they're throwing 130W chips at us AGAIN?

TDP does not equal CPU power consumption. The 130W TDP QX9650 in reality consumes about 65W, the 65W TDP C2Ds consume around 30W.

Nehalem will pull a few more watts than Penryn at the same clockspeed (due to the IMC being on die, and the cores being kept 'busier' with HT) but it won't be anything drastic: http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=3326&p=8

In fact based on these results Nehalem has significantly better performance/watt.

Originally posted by: Anandtech
for a 20 - 50% increase in performance, total system power consumption only went up by 10%.

yeah, but the heat is still there. If not more excess now thanks to the memory controller. :T

Oh i see a lot of overheating problem threads in the future like how quadcores first rolled out.

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: Idontcare
Same can be said for the Phenom 9850 and 9950, in all cases you aren't missing a whole lot by not having the absolute top of the line these days.

Exactly, that was my thinking in going for a 9850BE (it was only $190 CAD)...plus I can (hopefully...if we haven't been deceived) drop in an AM3 quad when they come out into my AM2+ motherboard (I kept my socket775 E6400 for more than 2 years so hopefully I can do the same with this system and put in something a bit better sometime later).

 

[Cookie Monster]

Think ill just wait for westmere.

 

[nyker96]

Is it me or does 130W sounds like enormous amount of heat here. If OCed I cannot imagine the final heat output from these babies at max load. Definitely need more case cooling for these guys. BTW, if the 920 can OC, that would be the hit chip.

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Think ill just wait for westmere.

I believe I'll just wait for Sandy Bridge, although I'll definitely be grabbing a few Q9650's in the not too distant future.

 

[Rubycon]

Yes but price out 12GB of DDR3. Motherboards will probably be north of $300 if not $400.

 

[taltamir]

that is indeed quite a lot of heat.

Also, 300 for a 2.66 neha...
But that requires about 300$ in RAM and 300$ mobo to go with it (X58).

Id stick with the 775 platform for now, thank you very much. When prices on the 45nm quads drop id pick one up to replace my Q6600

And after the phneom 9950 you will get a new name, one not tainted by failure.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: taltamir
And after the phneom 9950 you will get a new name, one not tainted by failure.

Pentium had a far rockier and scandalous introduction to the market, and for a reason that actually made a difference to the end user.

This Phenom = phailnom stuff makes for fun tongue-in-cheek sparing on the forums but really no one has been mortally wounded over it. (and not even AMD really as their 2007 problems were due to X2 performance vs. C2D and the R600 performance vs. Nvidia)

My father who managed an engineering design house at the time they upgrade to pentium systems only to find out all their numbers were wrong for simulating stresses on structures they were building, etc, now that was some serious open-ended real-world liability issues brought on by Intel. Phenom has certainly not given anyone as much business liability as those initial Pentium chips did for engineering and architecture firms across the globe.

So if the Pentium brand, arguably one of the better known brands next to Coca-Cola and Nike, climbed out of that hole to survive another 15yrs of fame then surely Phenom can't be considered a fatally wounded brand name.

Although, for me personally, phenom became a fatally wounded brand name when some drunk/high a-hole in AMD marketing came up with such a total suckage brand name. But I digress.

 

[aka1nas]

Originally posted by: nyker96
Is it me or does 130W sounds like enormous amount of heat here. If OCed I cannot imagine the final heat output from these babies at max load. Definitely need more case cooling for these guys. BTW, if the 920 can OC, that would be the hit chip.

IIRC, the TDP value is for the entire family, not individual CPU models. Most of the current Core2 chips only use like 50-70% of their rated TDP in actual wattage.

 

[taltamir]

TDP = Thermal Dissipiate Power. It is a measure of the size of the HEATSINK recommended for that line of processors. It has very little to do with actual power consumption.

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

Why does power consumption matter? I doubt you'll notice a difference in your electric bill.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem
Why does power consumption matter? I doubt you'll notice a difference in your electric bill.

For the desktop enthusiast consumer:
Power consumption = heat generation = temperature = transistor signal/noise instability = lowered maximum operating clockspeed and lowered maximum operation lifetime.

Typically you want your processor to last a long time and operate at a high clockspeed.

Temperature will impact your CPU's lifetime and can (but not in every case) limit your CPU's peak stable clockspeed.

For the laptop consumer lower power dissipation means longer battery life or smaller battery and lighter laptop, and in either case a less warm lap.

For the corporate IT consumer it means reduced A/C bill for cooling that computer room (or building full of desktop PC's in everyone's cube) and lower electric bill to power the computer and lower initial costs to purchase the computers as the computer's cooling system and PSU can be rated for lower TDP and thus cheaper to purchase from DELL, etc.

It matters to just about everyone, they just might not realize it until they think it thru.

edit: To add some personal data, I run five (5) Q6600's 24x7 at 100% load and it adds $75/month to my electric bill.

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: taltamir
TDP = Thermal Dissipiate Power. It is a measure of the size of the HEATSINK recommended for that line of processors. It has very little to do with actual power consumption.

Close...TDP means Thermal Design Power and is used to help OEMs design the entire cooling system.
TDP Definition from Wiki

Originally posted by: aka1nas
IIRC, the TDP value is for the entire family, not individual CPU models

AMD and Intel measure TDP differently (there has never been an "industry standard" because it's just a guideline).
AMD has almost always followed the "entire family" model, but Intel has stuck with individual TDPs for each CPU (though this may have changed lately).

 

[WaitingForNehalem]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem
Why does power consumption matter? I doubt you'll notice a difference in your electric bill.

For the desktop enthusiast consumer:
Power consumption = heat generation = temperature = transistor signal/noise instability = lowered maximum operating clockspeed and lowered maximum operation lifetime.

Typically you want your processor to last a long time and operate at a high clockspeed.

Temperature will impact your CPU's lifetime and can (but not in every case) limit your CPU's peak stable clockspeed.

For the laptop consumer lower power dissipation means longer battery life or smaller battery and lighter laptop, and in either case a less warm lap.

For the corporate IT consumer it means reduced A/C bill for cooling that computer room (or building full of desktop PC's in everyone's cube) and lower electric bill to power the computer and lower initial costs to purchase the computers as the computer's cooling system and PSU can be rated for lower TDP and thus cheaper to purchase from DELL, etc.

It matters to just about everyone, they just might not realize it until they think it thru.

edit: To add some personal data, I run five (5) Q6600's 24x7 at 100% load and it adds $75/month to my electric bill.

Ahh, I see, the people here care about it for overclocking.

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: WaitingForNehalem


Ahh, I see, the people here care about it for overclocking.

And for the longevity of their systems...

 

[taltamir]

and for the price. if CPU from AMD is 10$ cheaper but would cost 20$ more per year in electricity to use... the intel is actually cheaper. (just an example).

I calculate exact costs of electricity and it is a LOT more then people think.

1 measly watt taken for 24/7 for a year is a 8.76 KWH.

@ cheapest power in the US: 7 cents per KWH = 61.32 cents per year per watt.
@ cheapest power in texas: 14 cents per KWH = 1.2264 dollars per year per watt.
@ cheapest in the most expensive states in US: 25 cents per KWH = 2.19 dollars per year per watt.

So lower your power consumption by 20 watts would be as high as 43.8$ per year.

Ofcourse, not everything is ran 24/7. But then again. the AC cost to cool a unit of electricty is typically three times the amount. Balanced with reducing heating cost in winter, I estimated it to be about a two times total. Aka... you take the total cost per year and multiply it by 3 (1 + 2x1 = 3) to get dollar cost of running the device. Or you can recalculate based on exact hourly use per day depending on your item (which I have done before)

 

[Tempered81]

If you were gaming (or folding) 24/7 on CrossfireX 4870X2s, then you'd be SOL. $2000/year hahahah

 

[MarcVenice]

Aigo, whats the problem man. A waterloop on the CPU + NB is going to be a CPU loop only now with nehalem. It shouldn't matter to much for heatcontrol.

 

[Tempered81]

x58 is a Nb chipset i thought?

 

[harpoon84]

Originally posted by: Viditor
AMD has almost always followed the "entire family" model, but Intel has stuck with individual TDPs for each CPU (though this may have changed lately).

It has changed.

All C2Ds (or derivatives) currently on the market have a 65W TDP, which spans across 45nm and 65nm too. Obviously these CPUs don't all consume the same amount of power.

The same applies for quads, all C2Qs (except for EEs) are 95W, regardless if they are 65nm or 45nm.

 

[Tempered81]

Originally posted by: harpoon84

Originally posted by: Viditor
AMD has almost always followed the "entire family" model, but Intel has stuck with individual TDPs for each CPU (though this may have changed lately).

It has changed.

All C2Ds (or derivatives) currently on the market have a 65W TDP, which spans across 45nm and 65nm too. Obviously these CPUs don't all consume the same amount of power.

The same applies for quads, all C2Qs (except for EEs) are 95W, regardless if they are 65nm or 45nm.

Except the X6800! :9



Scale 1: Duo
E8x00: Tcase Max 74c, Stepping E0, TDP 65W, Idle 8W
E7x00: Tcase Max 74c, Stepping M0,TDP 65W, Idle 8W
E5200: Tcase Max 74c, Stepping M0,TDP 65W, Idle 8W
E4700: Tcase Max 73c, Stepping G0, TDP 65W, Idle 8W
E4x00: Tcase Max 73c, Stepping M0, TDP 65W, Idle 8W
E2xx0: Tcase Max 73c, Stepping M0, TDP 65W, Idle 8W
E8600: Tcase Max 72c, Stepping E0, TDP 65W, Idle 8W
E8xx0: Tcase Max 72c, Stepping C0, TDP 65W, Idle 8W
E6x50: Tcase Max 72c, Stepping G0, TDP 65W, Idle 8W
E6540: Tcase Max 72c, Stepping G0, TDP 65W, Idle 8W

-Tcase/Tjunction-
--70--/--75--75-- Hot
--65--/--70--70-- Warm
--60--/--65--65-- Safe
--25--/--30--30-- Cool

Scale 2: Quad
Q9x50: Tcase Max 71c, Stepping E0, TDP 95W, Idle 16W
Q9x50: Tcase Max 71c, Stepping C1, TDP 95W, Idle 16W
Q9400: Tcase Max 71c, Stepping R0, TDP 95W, Idle 16W
Q9300: Tcase Max 71c, Stepping M1, TDP 95W, Idle 16W
Q8200: Tcase Max 71c, Stepping M1, TDP 95W, Idle 16W
Q8200: Tcase Max 71c, Stepping R0, TDP 95W, Idle 16W
Q6x00: Tcase Max 71c, Stepping G0, TDP 95W, Idle 16W

-Tcase/Tjunction-
--70--/--75--75--75--75-- Hot
--65--/--70--70--70--70-- Warm
--60--/--65--65--65--65-- Safe
--25--/--30--30--30--30-- Cool

Scale 3: Quad
QX6x50: Tcase Max 65c, Stepping G0, TDP 130W, Idle 16W
QX6800: Tcase Max 65c, Stepping G0, TDP 130W, Idle 16W
QX6700: Tcase Max 65c, Stepping B3, TDP 130W, Idle 24W
QX9650: Tcase Max 64c, Stepping C1, TDP 130W, Idle 16W
QX9650: Tcase Max 64c, Stepping C0, TDP 130W, Idle 16W
QX9775: Tcase Max 63c, Stepping C0, TDP 150W, Idle 16W

-Tcase/Tjunction-
--65--/--70--70--70--70-- Hot
--60--/--65--65--65--65-- Warm
--55--/--60--60--60--60-- Safe
--25--/--30--30--30--30-- Cool

Scale 4: Quad
Q6600: Tcase Max 62c, Stepping B3, TDP 105W, Idle 24W

-Tcase/Tjunction-
--60--/--65--65--65--65-- Hot
--55--/--60--60--60--60-- Warm
--50--/--55--55--55--55-- Safe
--25--/--30--30--30--30-- Cool

Scale 5: Duo
E6x00: Tcase Max 61c, Stepping L2, TDP 65W, Idle 12W
E4x00: Tcase Max 61c, Stepping L2, TDP 65W, Idle 12W
E21x0: Tcase Max 61c, Stepping L2, TDP 65W, Idle 8W
X6800: Tcase Max 60c, Stepping B2, TDP 75W, Idle 24W
E6x00: Tcase Max 60c, Stepping B2, TDP 65W, Idle 24W (Spec# SL9S)
E6x00: Tcase Max 60c, Stepping B2, TDP 65W, Idle 12W (Spec# SL9Z)
E6x20: Tcase Max 60c, Stepping B2, TDP 65W, Idle 12W

-Tcase/Tjunction-
--60--/--65--65-- Hot
--55--/--60--60-- Warm
--50--/--55--55-- Safe
--25--/--30--30-- Cool

Scale 6: Quad
QX9770: Tcase Max 56c, Stepping C1, TDP 136W, Idle 16W
QX6800: Tcase Max 55c, Stepping B3, TDP 130W, Idle 24W

-Tcase/Tjunction-
--55--/--60--60--60--60-- Hot
--50--/--55--55--55--55-- Warm
--45--/--50--50--50--50-- Safe
--25--/--30--30--30--30-- Cool

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: Byte
WOW $284 for an i7? That sounds really tempting.

What I want to know... how much for a motherboard... how much of an overclock?

I'm not going to be an early adoptor. I'll just wait until the Q1 price drop and laugh at people whining here that they paid $$$ for it in November and now it just dropped in price, just like people did for the GTX 260/280 and iPhone.

Originally posted by: AmberClad
965? Why does Intel keep using that product code? Conjures up not so fond memories of obsolete chipsets and Pentium Ds .

P965 was decent. You may be thinking of 865? First chipsets to support Prescott.