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Intel Broadwell Thread

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Enigmoid said:
Your argument is true but as witiken said you are buying more and more transistors.
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Oh, absolutely. Hell, I'd argue you're not buying transistors at all. Transistors are free. You're buying the design of the chip and the ability to fit it in a certain sized area.
 
Intel to push Broadwell in 3 major notebook segments (DigiTimes)

Intel is planning to push its 14nm Broadwell processors, which will be released by the end of 2014, into three major notebook segments: entry-level non-touchscreen traditional notebooks sized 10.1- to 17.3-inch and priced between US$199-599; 2-in-1 devices priced between US$349-999; and 14- to 17-inch performance-level notebooks priced above US$1,500, according to sources from the upstream supply chain.

Notebook brand vendors have also started clearing their Haswell-based notebook inventories recently.

Intel's Core M processors codenamed Broadwell Y already entered mass shipments in September and have been widely adopted in 2-in-1 devices from vendors such as Lenovo and Asustek Computer looking to attract demand for the year-end holidays. Intel's Broadwell U series will enter mass production in January 2015 and begin mass shipments by the end of the first quarter 2015. The high-end Broadwell H series will become available in the third quarter of 2015.

Following Broadwell, Intel will release its next-generation 14nm Skylake series and the processors will enter mass production in the third quarter of 2015 at the earliest. After Skylake, Intel will release the 10nm Skymont.
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www.digitimes.com/news/a20141006PD207.html
 
positivedoppler said:
I'm confused. So does it mean INtel is no longer doing the tick tock? Jumping straight from 14nm to 10nm.
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Tock: Haswell
Tick: Broadwell
Tock: Skylake
Tick: Cannonlake

So, nope.

Sweepr said:
Intel to push Broadwell in 3 major notebook segments (DigiTimes)

www.digitimes.com/news/a20141006PD207.html
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So this is making me curious to what Intel will do with 10nm. Will it have time to market (yield) issues? When will it be released? Will it suffer from the 14nm vaporware delay? How will it actually perform on all metrics?

According to Brian Krzanich, we should not worry at all. Intel will not take the foot off the pedal, relentlessly pursuing Moore's Law (2 years/node).
 
Fjodor2001 said:
Broadwell notebooks starting at $199 - is that realistic? I heard similar claims from Intel of low price Haswell notebooks (not as low as $199 though!), but it never materialized. At least not until the end-of-life-cycle when they were being sold at discount.
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whats the point of cherrytrail then for non tablet applications??
 
Fjodor2001 said:
Broadwell notebooks starting at $199 - is that realistic? I heard similar claims from Intel of low price Haswell notebooks (not as low as $199 though!), but it never materialized. At least not until the end-of-life-cycle when they were being sold at discount.
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Personally speaking, I don't know how Intel has a real say on what the final OEM computer price should be. I assume it's some back and forth where Intel works with an OEM to come up with a number that Intel's part would have to cost the OEM to make them profitable at $199. And then Intel writes a contract and sells that lower end part to them at that price and then Intel can make a prediction say "yeah, this should enables $199 computers".

But after that, I don't know if there's any obligation for the OEM to actually sell it at $199. Maybe they found out that by adding a $20 bell and whistle, the market will still eat it up at $299. Therefore that's a better use of that low end part.

^^ all pure speculation.
 
Fjodor2001 said:
Broadwell notebooks starting at $199 - is that realistic? I heard similar claims from Intel of low price Haswell notebooks (not as low as $199 though!), but it never materialized. At least not until the end-of-life-cycle when they were being sold at discount.
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liahos1 said:
whats the point of cherrytrail then for non tablet applications??
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Exactly! This doesn't make any sense to me - unless Intel is giving away to store to dominate market share (which still doesn't make sense because they will take an even bigger hit on profits).
 
Core M (Broadwell-Y) now available - Lenovo Yoga 3 Pro (launched today). 🙂

Lenovo introduces the Yoga 3 Pro convertible notebook

Lenovo’s newest Yoga convertible notebook measures half an inch thick and weighs 2.6 pounds, but the Lenovo Yoga 3 Pro is a notebook with an Intel Core M broadwell processor, Windows software, and a screen that bends over backward so you can use the system like a tablet.

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The Lenovo Yoga 3 Pro features a 13.3 inch, 3200 x 1800 pixel IPS display, 8GB of RAM, and up to 512GB of solid state storage. It’s powered by an Intel core M-5Y70 Broadwell processor and offers up to 9 hours of battery life. Lenovo’s been selling Yoga convertibles for a few years, but this is the thinnest and lightest to date, thanks to a new aluminum hinge design and Intel’s low-power processor which generates less heat and allows for thinner designs.

Other features include micro HDMI output, WiFi, Bluetooth, 2 USB 3.0 ports, and 4 speakers. [..]

The Lenovo Yoga 3 Pro is now available for $1350 and up.
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http://liliputing.com/2014/10/lenovo-introduces-yoga-3-pro-convertible-notebook.html
http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops...a-3-pro-laptop
 
Nice! Not at $199 though... 😉 Now I'd just like to see some benchmarks on the M-5Y70, and for how long it can turbo to 2.6 GHz before starting to throttle. Also the hinge looks a bit weird on the back I think?
 
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Sweepr said:
Intel to push Broadwell in 3 major notebook segments (DigiTimes)

2-in-1 devices priced between US$349-999

www.digitimes.com/news/a20141006PD207.html
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So in sum the highest we will probably see atom based convertibles is $399 for there can only be some overlap between the two. Note of course these core m based convertibles will be the lower end skus going by names like celeron or pentium and not the fancy 5y series.
 
Sweepr said:
Core M (Broadwell-Y) now available - Lenovo Yoga 3 Pro (launched today). 🙂

Lenovo introduces the Yoga 3 Pro convertible notebook



http://liliputing.com/2014/10/lenovo-introduces-yoga-3-pro-convertible-notebook.html
http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops...a-3-pro-laptop
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It looks beautiful, but I still am not a fan of the convertibles unless the "tablet" part detaches into a true tablet. At 1400.00 I would buy a nice 1000.00 ultrabook and an 8 or 10 inch true windows tablet or ipad.
 
 
Fjodor2001 said:
Broadwell notebooks starting at $199 - is that realistic? I heard similar claims from Intel of low price Haswell notebooks (not as low as $199 though!), but it never materialized. At least not until the end-of-life-cycle when they were being sold at discount.
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Yea, we already have Haswell Notebooks at $199: http://www.amazon.com/Acer-C720-Chro.../dp/B00FNPD1VW

The price is the same as its predecessor. It's simply a high-end device.
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The Yoga 2 Pro cost $1099 for the 128GB and Yoga 3 Pro costs $1349 for the 256GB. The SSD does NOT cost $250 even in Lenovo's ridiculous world so that means per GB of SSD the Y3P costs $100 or more. Why I don't know.

The performance isn't so good either. The Cinebench R11.5 score for the Y3P shows 2.0, which is 10% better than the Core i5 4202Y. Not bad I guess, but if you want it this slim and portable, the only benefits you get from Core M is lower TDP.

The Intel that used to be "under-promise, over-deliver" isn't there anymore. Now its "over-promise, under-deliver". Even at the optimistic scenario with best casing and at 6W, Core M 5Y70 can't do 2.7 in Cinebench R11.5, 2.4 is realistic. Now on real world system 2.0 may be what we get.

whats the point of cherrytrail then for non tablet applications??
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It costs less for Intel and its more profitable that way?

I'm confused. So does it mean INtel is no longer doing the tick tock? Jumping straight from 14nm to 10nm.
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It means certain market segments won't get Broadwell treatment at all and go to Skylake. Like the desktop for example.
 
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IntelUser2000 said:
Yea, we already have Haswell Notebooks at $199: http://www.amazon.com/Acer-C720-Chro.../dp/B00FNPD1VW
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No that's a Chromebook, not a Notebook. Also, it's EOL since Broadwell will be released soon.

IntelUser2000 said:
The Yoga 2 Pro cost $1099 for the 128GB and Yoga 3 Pro costs $1349 for the 256GB. The SSD does NOT cost $250 even in Lenovo's ridiculous world so that means per GB of SSD the Y3P costs $100 or more. Why I don't know.
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It's unfortunately a common trick to overcharge for SSD storage in fixed-builds like notebooks.
IntelUser2000 said:
It costs less for Intel and its more profitable that way?
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But what's the point for the customer?
IntelUser2000 said:
It means certain market segments won't get Broadwell treatment at all and go to Skylake. Like the desktop for example.
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So tick-tock is dead on desktop?
 
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