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Eug said:
Depends on the platform. In general the A-series of chips from Apple don't throttle much over time. What you see is what you get.
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True only for the fact that, well, are there even any programs in iOS which would stress the CPU cores to anywhere near the extent of multi-threaded Cinebench? Because soon as you do give the A7 an actual workload you get throttling - http://www.anandtech.com/show/7519/apple-ipad-mini-with-retina-display-reviewed/2 And before anyone launches into the "well that's an unrealistic power virus" rant, from http://www.anandtech.com/show/7460/apple-ipad-air-review/3 we see that delta idle -> Kraken (single threaded benchmark) delta is 3W while idle -> 'unrealistic power virus' delta is 8W, or 4W per core. So that's a 33% increase between 'realistic' benchmark and power virus... which isn't all that far off from the increase seen between running Cinebench and AVX enabled linpack on a low voltage Haswell. (Playing with my i7-4770k running 3.5 GHz at 0.975V I saw a 59W delta idle -> load for Cinebench and 81W delta idle -> load for AVX linpack.)

Eug said:
The benchmarketing shenanigans came more from the Android side, but only specific vendors, esp. Samsung.

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...rking-adjustments-inflate-scores-by-up-to-20/
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Agreed, abuse in Android is far more prevalent since they attempt to circumvent their lack of proper hardware power management by specifically detecting benchmarks and maximizing their performance rather than allow their software DVFS to operate. But even without that 'cheat' they'd still have the issue of inflated benchmark performance when the device is cold/benchmark length isn't adequate to reach steady state.
 
Under my view of the tablet world, Bay Trail being high end for tablets makes perfect sense. Core M is not really a tablet chip. It's in the segments above mainstream tablets.

Yeah, it can come down and slum with the real tablet chips from time to time, but its pricing is too uptown to fit well there.
 
mikk said:
Haswell-Y is their highend but it doesn't matter. A tablet which starts at 99 USD or so isn't highend. If Intel calls it highend then I have to disagree.
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but there are multiple skus within baytrail w/ differetn performance. plus a 99 dollar tablet is low end bc its screen sucks and its a pos not necessarily because of the SOC. i'd argue 99 dollar baytrail tablets represent the pinnacle of value for performance
 
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Performance & Mainstream segment according to Intel, that makes much more sense.


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Lenovo Yoga Pro 3 with Intel's fastest 2.6GHz Core M SoC coming.

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-13.3"
-15.5mm
-256GB SSD
-Gorilla Glass
-September 30
-1300 EUR
 
I just read that the Yoga Pro 2 has a 512GB SSD, so the 256GB is probably wrong. For those who don't know, it also has a 3200x1800 display.
 
Ha €1300 since when did Lenovo think they were Apple? 15.5mm isn't groundbreaking I'm curious as to what besides the screen makes it so expensive. At that price you are looking nearly at base 15" MacBook Pro territory. Somehow I doubt core M will give any windows laptop more than the 12hrs you get on haswell with OSX.
 
liahos1 said:
1300 euros :\. didnt the yoga pro 2 go for 1099 usd.
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The current Yoga 2 Pro with pen support, a Core i5-4300U, 4GB RAM, and a 256 SSD sells for a little under 1 300 €.

EU prices != US prices

TreVader said:
Ha €1300 since when did Lenovo think they were Apple? 15.5mm isn't groundbreaking I'm curious as to what besides the screen makes it so expensive. At that price you are looking nearly at base 15" MacBook Pro territory. Somehow I doubt core M will give any windows laptop more than the 12hrs you get on haswell with OSX.
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The 15" MacBook Pro starts at 1 999 €.
 
North01 said:
The 15" MacBook Pro starts at 1 999 €.
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Odd considering it's pretty easy to find it for <$1799 with a small discount.


I looked and apple store is insanely expensive in Europe. The MacBook Pro is €1999 + €334VAT = €2333 = $3032!!!

I feel like the tech industry treats Europe like Comcast treats American customers.


Anyway my point is even with europe's insane prices you can still get a 13" retina MacBook for the price of this Lenovo. That MacBook will have iris GT3 graphics. €1300 is in my opinion a crazy price for a 2.6Ghz dual core ultrabook. Unless it get 20hrs battery life (I bet it doesn't break 10hr).
 
TreVader said:
Odd considering it's pretty easy to find it for <$1799 with a small discount.


I looked and apple store is insanely expensive in Europe. The MacBook Pro is €1999 + €334VAT = €2333 = $3032!!!

I feel like the tech industry treats Europe like Comcast treats American customers.


Anyway my point is even with europe's insane prices you can still get a 13" retina MacBook for the price of this Lenovo. That MacBook will have iris GT3 graphics. €1300 is in my opinion a crazy price for a 2.6Ghz dual core ultrabook. Unless it get 20hrs battery life (I bet it doesn't break 10hr).
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VAT is already included in these prices.

The 13" Macbook Air with a Haswell i5, 4 GB RAM, and a 256GB SSD is 1 199 €. The Lenovo will be priced competitively.
 
North01 said:
The current Yoga 2 Pro with pen support, a Core i5-4300U, 4GB RAM, and a 256 SSD sells for a little under 1 300 €.
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The yoga 2 pro doesn't have pen support. May you were talking about the thinkpad yoga. Yoga 2 pro doesn't offer anything special over the yoga 2 other than the very high res screen
 
rituraj said:
The yoga 2 pro doesn't have pen support. May you were talking about the thinkpad yoga. Yoga 2 pro doesn't offer anything special over the yoga 2 other than the very high res screen
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Thanks for the correction, the German webpage had me on the ThinkPad Yoga.

The Yoga 2 Pro starts at 1 199 €.
 
These devices are confusing me. On one hand they are offering better battery life, but on the other they certainly are not as powerful as the haswell U series and are not going to be much cheaper either. It's painful to own an expensive device and then knowing there is a much more powerful one for a couple hundred more. I kept myself from buying any Haswell U series device just because of that. I think I'll wait for the mainstream broadwell U-series. Hope they will be closer to the Haswell M series in processing while consuming way less power.

The 8 hr batery life offered by the haswell devices was OK for me. But the compromise in processing was not and no design was compelling enough except for the thinkpad Helix which unfortunately was never released for Haswell. Now they have come up with a core M version, but I hope they release a broadwell U series Helix pro or plus or something.

The helix was probably the most underrated design for convertibles/detachables. The yoga and the xps 12 were never proper tablets, the surface pros were never proper laptops. But helix could have been and it has been for however few people bought it.

Crossing fingers.

(And wtf is the deal with fitting 64GB storage with windows tablets?)
 
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