Intel Broadwell Thread

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Lepton87

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Has this been posted on this forums already?
http://pclab.pl/art60181.html

It's Intel Core M 5Y70 review. Doesn't look that impressive versus older gen of Core series but dominates Baytrail(as expected).


First review and on top of that in my native language, awesome, thanks. If something is unclear in the review feel free to ask.
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It's literally better to not under what BS they are writing. On the first results page which compares laptop CPUs they said that the core M performance is similar to that of Core i3-4020Y and even i5-4210Y. What a pile of crap conclusion.
 
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witeken

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The new 5Y71 flagship has a 1.2GHz base speed and a 2.9GHz boost frequency. Graphics now up to 900MHz.
 

Fjodor2001

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This one looks nice:

Core M 5Y71 2 / 4 1.2 / 2.9 GHz 4 MB HD 5300 300 / 900 MHz 4.5 Watt

Maybe these second generation Broadwell-M chips is what the PC manufacturers have been waiting for? I mean, who'd like to release a laptop in 2014Q4 if they will be considered old second generation already in 2015Q1?

Also, Broadwell-M availability volumes should be higher in 2015Q1.
 

mikk

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No not really. The new stepping should include the TSX bugfix. We have to wait for a datasheet update.
 

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So all the talk regarding the disappointment (I am not though) of the 2014 Mac mini has me thinking, is it possible Intel will release a Broadwell processor 37W mobile quad core with Iris Pro 6200?
 

jpiniero

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So all the talk regarding the disappointment (I am not though) of the 2014 Mac mini has me thinking, is it possible Intel will release a Broadwell processor 37W mobile quad core with Iris Pro 6200?

Apple is using the U line with the 2014 Mini which is 15 and 28 W only. So unless they switch back to the M line I don't see it happening.
 

Ice_Dragon

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Apple is using the U line with the 2014 Mini which is 15 and 28 W only. So unless they switch back to the M line I don't see it happening.

Yeah I'm okay with that. I feel Iris 6100 will be great as Iris 5100 is good in my opinion. I was just wondering if an Iris Pro mini was possible and if a 37W quad core was in the cards.
 

IntelUser2000

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So all the talk regarding the disappointment (I am not though) of the 2014 Mac mini has me thinking, is it possible Intel will release a Broadwell processor 37W mobile quad core with Iris Pro 6200?

The Iris 6200 Pro parts are really far away though. We're talking Q3/Q4, or nearly full year from now.

Also, Broadwell-M availability volumes should be higher in 2015Q1.

Slight adjustment. It's Broadwell-Y, but Core M. Broadwell-M is 15W, while Broadwell-Y/Core M is the 4.5W part.
 

Ice_Dragon

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The Iris 6200 Pro parts are really far away though. We're talking Q3/Q4, or nearly full year from now.

Considering I prefer the Mac mini over the iMac combined with the fact that the base model iMac (I don't count the $1,099 piece of garbage) has Iris Pro, I'm not worried.
 

Fjodor2001

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I found this slide illustrating what TDP can be used for Broadwell-Y Core M depending on device thickness and size:

Intel-Broadwell-Y5.jpg


I don't know if it has been posted in this thread already, but I think it's interesting regardless given the discussions about what to expect from this chip.

To put this into perspective, the Lenovo Yoga 3 Pro has a 13" display and is 12.8 mm thick. So in theory according to Intel's illustration it should be able to run the Broadwell SoC at 6 W TDP or so (assuming the notebook is well designed).

What is not clear from that Intel's illustration though is to what extent the CPU is expected to throttle while staying on the TDP curve. Does anybody know what Intel expects with regards to that?
 

Nothingness

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Interesting as on top of being able to use the 6W TDP profile the Yoga 3 should be able to do it without a fan...
 

dahorns

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Interesting as on top of being able to use the 6W TDP profile the Yoga 3 should be able to do it without a fan...

2 points:

1) metal chassis
2) the reviews indicate that yoga 3 doesn't get that hot. It seems like there is thermal headroom available.

Question: is the half inch thickness with or without the keyboard? That obviously could have an impact.

Edit: found the answer. It is half an inch thick when closed.
 
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I found this slide illustrating what TDP can be used for Broadwell-Y Core M depending on device thickness and size:

Intel-Broadwell-Y5.jpg


I don't know if it has been posted in this thread already, but I think it's interesting regardless given the discussions about what to expect from this chip.

To put this into perspective, the Lenovo Yoga 3 Pro has a 13" display and is 12.8 mm thick. So in theory according to Intel's illustration it should be able to run the Broadwell SoC at 6 W TDP or so (assuming the notebook is well designed).

What is not clear from that Intel's illustration though is to what extent the CPU is expected to throttle while staying on the TDP curve. Does anybody know what Intel expects with regards to that?

I think its lenovo that dropped the ball. Their last few high performance notebooks (y series) drop to base clocks under heavy loads. The yoga seems to run <65 degrees so its not temperature limited.
 

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Look at this, its the Yoga 3 Pro:

PC applications: http://pclab.pl/art60181-2.html
Mobile/Synthetic applications: http://pclab.pl/art60181-3.html


Sucks at real world mimicking benchmarks, and really good at synthetic(ie. fake) or really bursty mobile benchmarks. I can't believe how much of a difference it is! In PC applications, it loses against even Bay Trail! Yet it turns around and crushes Bay Trail in mobile benchmarks. Benchmarking chip is what it is.


Where are you seeing that? What I see is Core M destroying bay trail at real world web browsing, ie peacekeeper and sunspider, while tying the quad core bay trail at tasks like encoding. Cinebench is NOT a real world pc app. Cinebench and all other encoding taks are not time sensitive and thus are not performance critical. Sunspider is a much more relevant benchmark, for both mobile and desktop.
 

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Sunspider is a much more relevant benchmark, for both mobile and desktop.
o_O Sunspider is one of the poorest CPU benchmark in existence. Extremely short synthetic loops, it's the Javascript equivalent of dhrystone. Add to that it favors browsers with low profile optimizing JIT (such as IE), and you have a winner :biggrin:
 

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I found this slide illustrating what TDP can be used for Broadwell-Y Core M depending on device thickness and size:

I don't know if it has been posted in this thread already, but I think it's interesting regardless given the discussions about what to expect from this chip.

To put this into perspective, the Lenovo Yoga 3 Pro has a 13" display and is 12.8 mm thick. So in theory according to Intel's illustration it should be able to run the Broadwell SoC at 6 W TDP or so (assuming the notebook is well designed).

I talked about it :p and even the lenovo yoga pro's 3 thickness :)

That said the 12.8 mm is deceiving for that is two parts. Processor and Battery in the bottom, screen in the top. The bottom is little bigger than half but I have not see anybody measure it let alone use some nice calipers or something.

That said the performance is disappointing for it does have a fan, there are limits you can do with such a thin device with cooling a desktop type performance. No fan and I would not complain that much.

Here is some comparison of computers in different form factors.

Cinebench 11.5 multithread comparison
2.48 Intel Broadwell Reference Platform at IDF
2.08 Yoga Pro 3 - mobilegeeks (german review)

35 / 37 w laptop chips. Picked i3s due to no turbo and pentiums due to no HT
2.60 Haswell i3 4000m (2.4 ghz) 37w tdp -notebook check
2.45 Ivy i3-3120M (2.5 ghz) 35 w tdp -notebook check
2.29 Sandy i3-2370M (2.4 ghz) 35 w tdp -notebook check
1.92 Ivy Pentium 2020M (2.5 ghz) 35 w tdp -notebook check
1.83 Sandy Pentium B980 (2.4 ghz) 35w tdp -notebook check

Big Tablets, Surface Pro 3 numbers
2.82 i5 4300u (1.9 base 2.6 ghz two cores, 2.9 one core) 15w tdp -anandtech
1.63 i3 4020y (1.5 ghz) 11.5w tdp -anandtech

Sunspider is a much more relevant benchmark, for both mobile and desktop.
Sunspider is garbage. I agree javascript performance is a relevant benchmark but Sunspider is too short of a task and is optimized heavily by the browser companies to look good. Javascript may have been useful in 2010 or 2011 but it is not useful anymore.

Sunspider is between .1 to 1 second for most nice devices now including high end phones and tablets. Besides optimizing for the test, that is so short every device will be able to sustain its max turbo and you can do turbo tricks such as running a chip at 4 ghz temporarily.

Different Javascript browsers are better. Mozilla Kraken is less than 2 seconds with the surface pro 3, 4.3 for Nvidia Shield Tablet, 4.6 for Iphone 6, 5.9 for Intel Atom Z3740, 6.6 for S801 at 2.5 ghz, 11.6 for Nexus 7 2013. I do not know how long google octane 2.0 takes to run for google purposefully tries tricks to see continuous use and thus higher is better with their benchmark. Personally I rather have a test that takes 5 mins to measure tablets and phones for sometimes you use sustained use of that length but anything over 5 mins is too synthetic.
 

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Dell has announced the Venue 11 with both the 2.0 and 2.6GHz Broadwell-Y CPUs.

10.8" screen, 1920x1080, 64/128/256GB, 11mm, 735g, fanless, price €660 ($699). This includes Slim keyboard, with optional mobile keyboard with additional battery for 10+10 hour battery life.

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http://www.pcworld.com/article/2841784/hands-on-with-dells-venue-11-pro-7000-windows-tablet.html

http://www.engadget.com/2014/11/05/dell-venue-11-pro-2014/


looks great. cant wait to see reviews...id love to see them build something similar to the venue 8 7000 but in a 3:2 screen and with Core M. would be an instant purchase.
 

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Nice. Pretty close to the $599 starting price Intel mentioned for entry-level Core M (Broadwell-Y) devices.
$699 for a fully feature packed 64GB Core M tablet (including slim keyboard), not bad at all. Same price as the 128GB WiFi iPad Air 2 and $150 cheaper than the cheapest Surface Pro 3. I want one. :)
 

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I'd rather go e.g. for a Sony Xperia Tablet Z3 Compact. 8", 1920x1200, 213.3 × 123.6 × 6.4 mm, and only 270 g (!). The Dell venue twice as thick and is almost 3 times as heavy! Sure the Dell is 10.8", but still.

Hopefully there will be Notebooks with similar specs as the Dell too though. They should not be much more expensive, since they only add a keyboard and trackpad.
 
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