Intel Broadwell-K & Skylake (non-K) desktop CPUs to launch in Q2-2015

[Arachnotronic]

Broadwell-U GT3 has been pushed to Q1 (according to one VR-Zone roadmap), GT2 could still be launched in late 2014 and I expect quite a few design wins @ CES. Also, this is the third leak in a month mentioning desktop Skylake in 2015, probably coming from different sources. I think the Skylake @ H2/2016 or 2017 crowd should just give up. 😉

Those people want to see AMD close the gap, so naturally they are cheering for it, especially if it means Intel delaying 10nm 😛

 

[bullzz]

@IDC - not sure if I understand your point. iGPU is part of the die and companies charge for the whole die. so iGPU is not given away free

 

[AtenRa]

Broadwell-U GT3 has been pushed to Q1 (according to one VR-Zone roadmap), GT2 could still be launched in late 2014 and I expect quite a few design wins @ CES. Also, this is the third leak in a month mentioning desktop Skylake in 2015, probably coming from different sources. I think the Skylake @ H2/2016 or 2017 crowd should just give up. 😉

According to the roadmap bellow, Desktop Broadwell-U BGA will suppose to be released before Desktop Haswell-K Refresh or at least the same time, that is now. Not happening.

Not only that, but according to the same roadmap Desktop HSW-K Refresh will be replaced by Desktop BroadWell-K after less than 6 months or very early Q1 2015 ?? dont think so.

Also, BroadWell-K line in the roadmap bellow ends before the end of 2015. So they will only keep HSW-K for 6 Months and replace them with BroadWell-K that again will only be available for less than a year ??
If you watch carefully, they have three Desktop Generation SKUs (HSW-K refresh, BDW-K and SKL) within 15 months from Q3 2014 to Q4 2015 😵 😕

 

[Ajay]

Also, BroadWell-K line in the roadmap bellow ends before the end of 2015. So they will only keep HSW-K for 6 Months and replace them with BroadWell-K that again will only be available for less than a year ??
If you watch carefully, they have three Desktop Generation SKUs (HSW-K refresh, BDW-K and SKL) within 15 months from Q3 2014 to Q4 2015 😵 😕

Well, if you go with SKL-K, it's going to be at least 18 months. I think this is more a matter of desktop SKUs benefiting from Intel's need to rapidly evolve mobile/LP CPUs. In that case - good news for us consumers; not so good news, short term, for Intel's investors (though they'll still be in very good shape unless they flounder in the smart phone market).

I'd like to see AMD be competitive at the high-end, but that not happening either 🙁

 

[Erenhardt]

IMHO It doesn't look like multi-million-dollar company's roadmap, but rather like a student's homework done rushed during bus ride to school.

 

[Ajay]

IMHO It doesn't look like multi-million-dollar company's roadmap, but rather like a student's homework done rushed during bus ride to school.

Well, it's a little better than that - I can't get to the website to check it out. I hope it's true, since I just noticed that BW-E is supposed to be coming out in 2015 😱 This too may make sense since the big data centers are desperately trying to lower their power bills (e.g. Google) and 14nm Xeons will certainly help!

 

[mikk]

According to the roadmap bellow, Desktop Broadwell-U BGA will suppose to be released before Desktop Haswell-K Refresh or at least the same time, that is now. Not happening.

Not only that, but according to the same roadmap Desktop HSW-K Refresh will be replaced by Desktop BroadWell-K after less than 6 months or very early Q1 2015 ?? dont think so.

Also, BroadWell-K line in the roadmap bellow ends before the end of 2015. So they will only keep HSW-K for 6 Months and replace them with BroadWell-K that again will only be available for less than a year ??
If you watch carefully, they have three Desktop Generation SKUs (HSW-K refresh, BDW-K and SKL) within 15 months from Q3 2014 to Q4 2015 😵 😕

The document was published in April, BDW launch dates are probably based on the previous ww13 launch plan:

Haswell refresh was on target, it shouldn't effect Sklyake-S as Haswell refresh successor. Also I do believe CPU-world or Sweclockers infos are based on recent ones because CPU-world reported that BDW-K is coming in Q2 so it must be a recent one. One thing is pretty clear, Skylake-S is planned for mid 2015, even if there is a 1-2 months delay.

 

[Homeles]

IMHO It doesn't look like multi-million-dollar company's roadmap, but rather like a student's homework done rushed during bus ride to school.

Well, JPEG compression does that.

 

[AtenRa]

The document was published in April, BDW launch dates are probably based on the previous ww13 launch plan:

Haswell refresh was on target, it shouldn't effect Sklyake-S as Haswell refresh successor. Also I do believe CPU-world or Sweclockers infos are based on recent ones because CPU-world reported that BDW-K is coming in Q2 so it must be a recent one. One thing is pretty clear, Skylake-S is planned for mid 2015, even if there is a 1-2 months delay.

According to the roadmaps on the list you posted, the only platform to RTS in 2014 is Platform Y (September).
Platform U 2+2 production has been pushed back in to week 42-47 (mid October-mid November) and it will be RTS until last week of 2014 or first week of 2015 depending upon the week it will start production.
That is why i said the roadmap bellow should be an old one because current roadmaps only put Platform-Y with RTS in 2014.

SKL could be Q2 2015 but will it be BGA or LGA or both ??

 

[witeken]

I'm not sure if this new roadmap is very accurate, newer or better. I'd ignore it and use another one.

 

[mikk]

That is why i said the roadmap bellow should be an old one because current roadmaps only put Platform-Y with RTS in 2014.

It seems you didn't understand my posting.

 

[AtenRa]

It seems you didn't understand my posting.

Could be, could you be more specific ?? what did i miss ??

 

[Fjodor2001]

Wow, these 14 nm Broadwell delays must really have wrecked havoc at Intel.

Perhaps they are now trying to catch up and release Skylake as close as possible according to some earlier schedule. But the plans are all really over the place. Models being released seemingly at random, three CPU generations overlapping (plus Haswell-Refresh released in panic out of nowhere), and without much logic. I think the consumers are going to be even more confused than usual if these release schedules turn out to be true.

 

[witeken]

Haswell Refresh wasn't released out of nowhere, there were already rumors about it in September or so. I think things might be more clear once the products are released.

 

[Fjodor2001]

Haswell Refresh wasn't released out of nowhere, there were already rumors about it in September or so.

Yeah, when they realized 14 nm was going to be seriously delayed and needed an interim solution. And really, it takes several months to plan for the release of a new product (involving OEMs, marketing, testing, etc), even if it's a mid-life kicker. So September planning accounts for a panic release even if actual release is in Q2.

I think things might be more clear once the products are released.

Doubt it, since it's not according to the original plan. It's was the best they could do in face of the 14 nm delays. But they might of course try to twist it to let people think there's some logic behind all the mess. 😀

 

[Homeles]

Yeah, when they realized 14 nm was going to be seriously delayed and needed an interim solution.

Delayed just over a quarter... real serious delay right there.

And Haswell Refresh appeared on their roadmaps at least as early as April 2013, if not earlier. Such panic.

 

[phillyman36]

Just curious how many of you are planning to buy the non-k Skylake when it comes out or are you all going to wait for the k version even if it doesn't come out until early 2016?

 

[mikk]

I don't OC my CPUs so I'm fine with a non-K. It's a decision between Broadwell-K (because of Iris Pro) or Skylake-S. I think in this case I would go for a Skylake-S because of the newer GPU and CPU architecture. Gen9 can do HEVC encoding in hardware whilst Gen8 can't do.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Since I dont overclock. Its a very easy thing for me to pick Skylake(non K).

 

[mrmt]

I doubt that broadwell will provide any compelling reason to upgrade from my 4770, same with sky lake. Maybe cannon lake will do the trick.

 

[Fjodor2001]

So ~5 year upgrade cycles for enthusiasts nowadays. How long for average Joe?

 

[Techhog]

So ~5 year upgrade cycles for enthusiasts nowadays. How long for average Joe?

Until it dies.

 

[Homeles]

Until it dies.

How it's always been for them, really. That or when corporate budgets allow.

 

[Fjodor2001]

How it's always been for them, really. That or when corporate budgets allow.

Not at all. Most "average persons" I know were on 3-4 year upgrade cycles prior to around 2006.

 

[Homeles]

Not at all. Most "average persons" I know were on 3-4 year upgrade cycles prior to around 2006.

Er, well I shouldn't have said always. But it's been like that for a while, and I'd say 2006 is when it stopped being the case as well. A lot of people holding on to dinosaurs... 2006 was 8 years ago, yet I still see Core 2 machines everywhere. Pentium 4 era machines are very rare, though. I see the occasional Athlon 64... probably the oldest line I see on a somewhat regular occurrence. Everything else has croaked, or is too slow to use.

I have a feeling that once solid state drives drop in price a bit more, we'll see some renewed interest in upgrading. Perhaps once you can get $500 GB for ~$100 or so, and OEMs start replacing hard drives with SSDs as the primary drive. I haven't seen a huge benefit from cache drives and the like.

Haswell provided some nice battery life increases, but honestly, it launched so late on PCs that you just don't see very many machines with it yet. Broadwell probably won't be widely adopted, so I'd imagine Skylake will be the "next big thing." Confused as to how it will keep up with Haswell and Broadwell when it comes to battery life, though. And as a technician, I'm going to be disappointed to see system boards increase in size -- not that it really matters, but the regression bothers me. Amazing how corporate politics can screw over millions of users.

Tablets are another part of the problem. Today, it seems standard practice to have an old laptop alongside a new tablet. Once tablets saturate the market, we'll probably see PCs make a comeback, or perhaps more likely, the next line of expensive gadgets (Smart watches? Smart glasses? Who knows?) will take that slice of an average consumer's budget.