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Intel Broadwell-K & Skylake (non-K) desktop CPUs to launch in Q2-2015

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ShintaiDK said:
Broadwell is pretty much cancelled as a desktop SKU besides the K model. Skylake is ready in Q2.
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What reason do we have to believe that Skylake won't be similarly delayed? I have a hard time believing Intel will release a new CPU launch within a couple months of the previous one.

Either Broadwell desktop and standard mobile parts will be cancelled outright, or Skylake is off the table until at least holiday season 2015.
 
jaydee said:
What reason do we have to believe that Skylake won't be similarly delayed? I have a hard time believing Intel will release a new CPU launch within a couple months of the previous one.

Either Broadwell desktop and standard mobile parts will be cancelled outright, or Skylake is off the table until at least holiday season 2015.
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Intels desktop roadmap. Mobile skylake comes after desktop skylake.
 
jaydee said:
What reason do we have to believe that Skylake won't be similarly delayed? I have a hard time believing Intel will release a new CPU launch within a couple months of the previous one.

Either Broadwell desktop and standard mobile parts will be cancelled outright, or Skylake is off the table until at least holiday season 2015.
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Because literally all the roadmaps point to a Q2 release, and Intel has done similar things in the past. They had yield issues with 14nm and decided to release the products that benefit most from 14nm first: Broadwell-Y, Broadwell-U and Cherry Trail. Because they don't want to delay their whole Tick-Tock model because of this, they decided to basically skip Broadwell for desktop and go straight to Skylake. Meanwhile, they released Haswell Refresh in Q2 instead of Broadwell in Q4 or later.

So they won't release a new CPU within a couple months of the previous one; Skylake-Y/U are going to be released in H2 or so.

Skylake is a new architecture so it won't launch on a new manufacturing process that could be delayed because of problems.
 
ShintaiDK said:
Intels desktop roadmap. Mobile skylake comes after desktop skylake.
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this seems odd considering intel's focus on mobile.

or is broadwell being used as a guinea pig on the line to make sure mobile skylake comes in at lower power targets (some sort of attempt to keep the tick-tock structure despite both coming at nearly the same time)?

edit: just read witeken's post above, makes sense.
 
ElFenix said:
this seems odd considering intel's focus on mobile.

or is broadwell being used as a guinea pig on the line to make sure mobile skylake comes in at lower power targets (some sort of attempt to keep the tick-tock structure despite both coming at nearly the same time)?

edit: just read witeken's post above, makes sense.
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I think the confusing is that mobile gets the node shrink first due to capcity limitations. However on established nodes with plenty of capacity, desktop comes first due to easier binning.

So we get a shift every turn from one to the other.
 
ShintaiDK said:
I think the confusing is that mobile gets the node shrink first due to capcity limitations. However on established nodes with plenty of capacity, desktop comes first due to easier binning.

So we get a shift every turn from one to the other.
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I'm assuming you're guessing, right?

But if that indeed is the logic their are following, why change to that for these particular CPU generations? They ought to have followed the same policy before too.
 
Fjodor2001 said:
I'm assuming you're guessing, right?

But if that indeed is the logic their are following, why change to that for these particular CPU generations? They ought to have followed the same policy before too.
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The change was Atom. If you are asking why desktop is last for the node shrink.
 
ShintaiDK said:
He explained it quite well. Before server, laptop, desktop, atom. Now server, laptop, atom, desktop.

in short, laptop and tablets first on new nodes for consumers.
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Ok, so let's assume that's the priority order. But why is it that priority order? And what has changed compared to before?
 
ShintaiDK said:
Intel want into the tablet/smartphone segment.

How could you possible have missed that?
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Yes, but then why not prioritize mobile on tocks too? If they really want to prioritize mobile, then tocks should be first on mobile too. Mobile benefits from uArch changes and iGPU improvements as well.
 
Fjodor2001 said:
Yes, but then why not prioritize mobile on tocks too? If they really want to prioritize mobile, then tocks should be first on mobile too. Mobile benefits from uArch changes and iGPU improvements as well.
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They do?!? Haswell was first seen as an ULV chip (for example in the MacBook Air). Desktop was a few months later.
 
Uhhh I might be really on a limp but I surely remember the MacBook Air coming out quite a few months earlier then the desktop chips
 
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