Intel Atom: Are desktop (nettop) processors kaput?

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dont conflate tdp with power draw. also what if you need multihtreaded performance and a slightly better gpu? so please stop generalizing ppls needs.

Who's generalizing? I pointed out the price difference and gave examples of use cases where both products would be the better buy. If you need better multithreaded performance, fine, get the A6.

Or, hell with it it - for the same $140, you can get a socketed motherboard, Celeron G2120 @ 3GHz, and absolutely wipe the floor with the A6-5200 in terms of both single-threaded and multithreaded performance.
 
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TDP is closely related to maximum power draw. Seeing "TDP != power consumption; your argument is invalid!" is really getting old, and it's nothing more than a cop-out at this point.

I'm also rather confused why you're allowed to generalize people's needs (you did exactly this by suggesting a Kabini board over a Celeron one, without any information as to what their needs were), but you won't allow others to do the same.

i guess it is a bit hypocritical of me to state that so you are right, to each his own I guess. As for power draw i expect very similar levels of power draw for both kabini and the ivy celeron.
 

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Who's generalizing? I pointed out the price difference and gave examples of use cases where both products would be the better buy. If you need better multithreaded performance, fine, get the A6.

Or, hell with it it - for the same $140, you can get a socketed motherboard, Celeron G2120 @ 3GHz, and absolutely wipe the floor with the A6-5200 in terms of both single-threaded and multithreaded performance.

you can also get richland apu with even better gpu and better than a6-5200 cpu perf, your point?
 
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you can also get richland apu with even better gpu and better than a6-5200 cpu perf, your point?

My point is that $140 is a crap price for A6-5200-level performance.

The important part is that Atom on the desktop is a bad idea.
 
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I'm trying to figure out what Intel is doing with regard to the Atom line as regards small desktop computers and lightweight servers. From what I can tell, they seem to be moving totally toward SoC packages. Is that correct, or are there plans for any new desktop Atom CPU+chipset designs?

Seems very little new has come from them along these lines in the past year or two. The miniITX Atom motherboards that I see available currently have all been out for ages, and there appear to be fewer and fewer available.

I use a Atom D2500 with dual intel gigabit nics as a firewall router.
It has 8 gigs of DDR3, runs on a 120gig 2.5inch HDD... and is on Smoothwall 3.1 x64.
It completely blows any consumer brand router.... cost me about the same to setup as a ASUS Diamond series router, and is probably classed in the enterprise grade firewall routers which are priced over 1000 dollars

Best of all i can upgrade it... i can change the SSD, to a X-25E later on if i wish... i cant add more ram cuz im already max'd on the slots.. but i can add additional Nic cards if i wish as it has a PCI expansion... I can shove it in whatever case i wish, i can even throw it in a thin itx platform case, which makes it look a lot nicer then the prepackaged router.

You cant get this type of router on the consumer market... not even the enterprise market has this kind of router for sale... you would need to build it yourself even in the enterprise side.

I was thinking about virtualizing this machine on my other server, however the thing only draws like 25W at most, that i decided to leave it at be.

I have used atom setups as torrent boxes, and other light weight systems, however i feel you can virtualize just about anything which defeats the point in having a atom type system.


@ Dave..

Software is divided into two classes from my understanding.

1. You got a OS heavy Software which like windows, requires a lot of CPU activity.
As you can tell this is NOT the ideal OS to install a lightweight processor on.

2. Then you got a memory intensive software, it can care less about cpu prowess but is at mercy in the memory/IO department..
(FREEBSD is a good example... so is SQL)

In the second option... which fills the roles of firewall router / NAS / SQL server.... u can care less what processor is at the head, the only thing u will care about is HOW MUCH RAM it has at its disposal to DB....

The atom isnt a processor to replace the desktop processor...
Id think the Celeron combo with the HD4500/IVY IGP was more intended on that..

A lot of you guys always seem to forget that Atom processors are now mainly used for things like Point Of Sale systems, Kiosk computers, and video display systems. You know... the kind of low power embedded systems that you see at the mall or in a restaurant.

The installers who use those systems don't give a rats ass how they perform in 3DMark. They just want something cheap and reliable that doesn't run hot or use a lot of power.

+1

(not directed at anyone in this thread)
People need to learn what type of software the machine will run and match it accordingly... and not build overclocking gaming PC's for every niche there is... or assume that's the only build that exists, and all others are outside norm.
 
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But any of these platforms are going to take you down from ~100W or so down to 15-30W. Paying more to go from 20W to 10W seems like diminishing returns to me.

It may indeed be diminishing returns if you're thinking about it in terms of the cost offset from the power bill... But there are other benefits. 10W is a piece of cake to passively cool without needing fans, and that drop from 20W to 10W would halve your capacity needs for a UPS... or double your runtime on the same UPS. :thumbsup:
 

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TDP is closely related to maximum power draw.

I'd say loosely related. Perhaps very loosely. I recently replaced a Sandy Bridge G620T (35W TDP) with an Ivy Bridge G1620 (55W TDP). At load, the power draw is close to the same--something like 1 or 2W more for the Ivy, despite a much more substantial 20W TDP difference.
 

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I can't wait to hear what you think of ARM, then.

Depends on the ARM, some of them feel decently snappy, but then again they dont have windows to deal with either. Maybe thats the downfall of atom, everyone tries them running on windows :)