Intel& Apple whats going on

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: Vegitto
The weather sucks in here. It's rainy.

Hey another sidenote...I am getting my X2 today!!!! My centrino laptop wont be here until next week!!!

Looking forward to your results.

 

[Greenman]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: Vegitto
The weather sucks in here. It's rainy.

Hey another sidenote...I am getting my X2 today!!!! My centrino laptop wont be here until next week!!!

Cool, can't wait to hear your observations and results. I played around lastnight w/ my X2 4400+ and got up to 2.75ghz but the system keeps locking-up at 2.8ghz. I'm pretty sure I can get it stable but being reserve w/ my voltages.

On another sidenote, I left my job yesterday and in three weeks will be moving from dreadful Boston(34 years) to San Francisco. Driving cross-country and may go wireless broadband to make it til I get to SF. I also picked-up CoPilot Live GPS/Mapping software for my laptop so, it'll be pretty cool to use that as I'm driving.

Are you moving to SF proper or somewhere in the bay area? Be sure someone is around to give you CPR when you start looking at home prices, and what that money gets you. (The plus side is that if they keep going up at the same rate you will be able buy a nice island when it's time to retire).

 

[Vegitto]

Hey, Intelia:

...(__O__)
.......:thumbsup:

 

[AMDrulZ]

AMD's Pacifica will blow vanderpool right out of the water. Because it can do things in hardware that vanderpool will have to do in software if can even do them at all.

ha ha intel !!!


ooop's almost forgot

Currently, the only major competitor to Intel on the x86 processor market is Advanced Micro Devices, with which Intel has had full cross-licensing agreements since 1976: each partner can use the other's patented technological innovations without charge. Some smaller competitors such as Transmeta produce low-power processors for portable equipment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel

I think that mean's IA64 (aka) Itanium. Can also be copied by AMD. Intel may sue AMD if they do but all AMD has to do is say According to the 1976 agreement they can use or reproduce ANY INTEL TECHNOLOGY.

So when or IF Itanium get's accepted in to the market. AMD has by the 1976 agreement All Right's To Intels Itanium Architecture. And i do think that the argeement was renewed recently and is still in effect because of this fact.

Due to the success of the AMD64 line of processors, Intel adopted the AMD64 instruction set and added some new extensions of their own, rebranding it the EM64T architecture (apparently not wishing to acknowledge that the instruction set came from its main rival).

This was the first time that a major upgrade of the x86 architecture was initiated and originated by a manufacturer other than Intel. Perhaps more importantly, it was the first time that Intel actually accepted technology of this nature from an outside source.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86


just figured this might help if some one reads all of that crap and get's all the way down here...!!!

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: batmanuel

Originally posted by: Mattd46612
phewwww just got done. Not a chance at any of that. Windows has such a lock on the public. The masses will follow Windows whereever it will lead. Which if the rest of your story is true will only turn the tables and make AMD #1 and Intel in the dust.

The Yonah core Intel chips that Apple will likely be using support a new virtualization technology code named Vanderpool that according to Wikipedia "allow a single machine to run multiple operating systems at once without incurring significant emulation costs." I have a sneaking suspicion that Apple is going to figure out a way to exploit Vanderpool to allow the new Macs to run OS X and Windows concurrently at full native speed without having to use Virtual PC. On a dual core system, each OS might even have its own dedicated core so your only performance hit would come from trying to access shared system memory and shard hard drive resources (although NCQ tech could help with that a bit). If you could not only install Windows on an Intel based Mac, but also go from one OS to another seamlessly without rebooting or losing performance due to emulation, the Macs would suddenly become a lot more attractive.

what would be the point of that?

 

[coomar]

i don't they could have used itanic or whatever's architechture, in their 48 page tort they mentioned that itanic was a potential "game-breaker" (or something along the line) if it had been succesful

 

[Fox5]

Originally posted by: coomar
i don't they could have used itanic or whatever's architechture, in their 48 page tort they mentioned that itanic was a potential "game-breaker" (or something along the line) if it had been succesful

Who mentioned it? Say what?

I'm assuming you're saying...
Apple would not use Itanium, as it would be a vastly inferior choice to the Power architecture they were using.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Originally posted by: Greenman

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: Duvie

Originally posted by: Vegitto
The weather sucks in here. It's rainy.

Hey another sidenote...I am getting my X2 today!!!! My centrino laptop wont be here until next week!!!

Cool, can't wait to hear your observations and results. I played around lastnight w/ my X2 4400+ and got up to 2.75ghz but the system keeps locking-up at 2.8ghz. I'm pretty sure I can get it stable but being reserve w/ my voltages.

On another sidenote, I left my job yesterday and in three weeks will be moving from dreadful Boston(34 years) to San Francisco. Driving cross-country and may go wireless broadband to make it til I get to SF. I also picked-up CoPilot Live GPS/Mapping software for my laptop so, it'll be pretty cool to use that as I'm driving.

Are you moving to SF proper or somewhere in the bay area? Be sure someone is around to give you CPR when you start looking at home prices, and what that money gets you. (The plus side is that if they keep going up at the same rate you will be able buy a nice island when it's time to retire).

Thanks for the heads-up Greenman! Yeah, I've been doing some research and the prices are pretty ugly. Currently, I'm renting an apartment from a friend in Berkeley but will eventually get a job in SF. I'm month to month with my friend so I can take some time checking out the neighborhoods in SF and the bay area.

Luckily, I'm selling my house in Cambridge where the prices are pretty up there too. You live in SF area? Any opinions on areas to live?

 

[Greenman]

Thanks for the heads-up Greenman! Yeah, I've been doing some research and the prices are pretty ugly. Currently, I'm renting an apartment from a friend in Berkeley but will eventually get a job in SF. I'm month to month with my friend so I can take some time checking out the neighborhoods in SF and the bay area.

Luckily, I'm selling my house in Cambridge where the prices are pretty up there too. You live in SF area? Any opinions on areas to live?[/quote]
Depends on what you're looking for. If you like city life and have a huge pile of cash from your old house, or if you're pulling down 200k a year, SF would be the place. Less money gets you into parts of the city where most people don't want to live. I live about 30 miles east the city, in the burbs. You can pick up a 1500sf house on a small lot around here for around 480k, and ride Bart into the city. Price will end up being your guide, once you know what you want to spend that will decide what areas to look in.

 

[Greenman]

I just tossed in this second post cause I was at 299, and wanted to see if my title changed. Sorry for wasting everyones time.

Edit: It didn't change

Edit 2: Caveman, do you play TFC?

 

[The Pentium Guy]

Originally posted by: zerocool1
a. learn grammar
b. cliff notes
c. some of that is plain retarded

Steve Jobs gets to perform surgery on Bill Gates(take the whole thing Stevey) Intel gets revenge on IBM over the gaming consols and also tells AMD here you wanted the x86 platform here here its yours we hope your happy with it.( Even if the 64 bit O/S doesn't come. Apple well optimize for Intel only thats a fact.) Intel tells there good buddies at Dell Apple O/S or nothing .(microsoft sues apple for a monoply LOL)

d. stop posting

.
e) Get yourself (I'm talking about Intellia) banned and stop posting on Anandtech

 

[IntelUser2000]

Who ever said:

SPEC : The business worlds most depended upon CPU benchamark

Results for Itanium 2:

Dell Dell PowerEdge 3250 (1.4GHz/1.5MB, Itanium2) 1 core, 1 chip, 1 core/chip 824 824

Dell Dell PowerEdge 3250 (1.4GHz/3MB, Itanium2) 1 core, 1 chip, 1 core/chip 1022 1022

Dell Dell PowerEdge 3250 (1.5GHz/6MB, Itanium2) 1 core, 1 chip, 1 core/chip 1099 1099

The best Itanium Result: (the most expensive CPU, costing more than a 4 core opteron server)

Hewlett-Packard Company HP Integrity rx4640-8 (1.6GHz/9MB Itanium 2) 1 core, 1 chip, 1 core/chip 1590 1590

Results for SINGLE CORE AMD Athlon FX-57: published by AMD

Advanced Micro Devices ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe, AMD Athlon (TM) 64 FX-57 1 core, 1 chip, 1 core/chip 1862 1970

Results for SINGLE CORE AMD Opteron 250 in x86-64 Linux

Fujitsu Siemens Computers CELSIUS V810, Opteron (TM) 250, Linux 64-bit 1 core, 1 chip, 1 core/chip 1706 1849

Even the Pentium-M goes toe to toe with the $2000+ Itanic

Dell Precision Mobile Workstation M60 (Pentium M 755) 1 core, 1 chip, 1 core/chip 1528 1541

Fish through the results yourself

The Itanium is beat by everything from Pentium 4s to Opterons to the Pentium-M, it had its time as a niche part a few years ago, even the 9MB cache part cant hold a candle to an FX-57 in Int or Float.

Now please, please, stop posting bullsh!t.

Now that's in SpecInt. You said the Itanium gets beaten in Int AND Float. Wrong. Let's look at specFP.

http://www.spec.org/cpu2000/results/cfp2000.html

Dell PowerEdge 3250 (1.4GHz/1.5MB, Itanium2) 1 core, 1 chip, 1 core/chip 1444 1444

Dell PowerEdge 3250 (1.4GHz/3MB, Itanium2) 1 core, 1 chip, 1 core/chip 1868 1868

Dell PowerEdge 3250 (1.5GHz/6MB, Itanium2) 1 core, 1 chip, 1 core/chip 1875 1875

Best Itanium result on 400MHz bus:
HP Integrity rx4640-8 (1.6GHz/9MB Itanium 2) 1 core, 1 chip, 1 core/chip 2712 2712

Best Itanium result on 667MHz bus:

HITACHI BladeSymphony (1.66GHz/9MB Itanium 2) 1 core, 1 chip, 1 core/chip 2801

Now AMD figures:

ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe, AMD Athlon (TM) 64 FX-57 1 core, 1 chip, 1 core/chip 2086 2261

Fujitsu Siemens Computers CELSIUS V810, Opteron (TM) 250, Linux 64-bit 1 core, 1 chip, 1 core/chip 1706 1849

Dell Precision Mobile Workstation M60 (Pentium M 755) 1 core, 1 chip, 1 core/chip 1087 1088

The Fujitsu score you posted is specfp score, completely making that result invalid, since the specint scores are lower for that specific system.

specint for the Fujitsu Opteron system is: 1452/1619, certainly lower than 1706/1849 since that's specfp!!!

specfp score of 2712 and 2801 on the Itanium 2 9Mb cache version beats everything by a wide margin, being equal or closer to Power 5 at 1.9GHz.

Pentium M 755 2.0GHz gets 1087/1088 in specfp, meaning that the Itanium 2 beats Pentium M by a factor of almost 3x, certainly better than how bad you make it look don't you think?


And to duvie's comments:

<<said that its forthcoming Montecito dual core Itanium in a four processor, dual core configuration will thrash a comparable four way RISC system by 60 per cent.>>

This is funny...so you have 4 cpus with dual cores for 8 cores...against a comparable 4 way system...How about an 8-way system with (4) dual core opteron 275's (proably still much cheaper)...I dontthink that is the comparable system they are talking about....Intel is a bunching of spinners like most of their wild claims, by the way which rarely seem to come true.... They probably compared it against its single core Xeon chips or older itanium incarnations.

Just as I though if you go to that IBM link there are no comparisons to modern opteron or dual core opteron cpus....I laugh at this....

Unintelia you show you do no research and just qoute stuff blindly....I think you can have Dan Rathers job!!!!

http://www.tweakers.net/nieuws/37781

According to here, the translated version says:
They tested a 4 way Itanium Montecito system at 1.6 GHz (so, lower than the final speeds). With no special optimized code for the Itanium it scored 45.8 GFlops against 30 GFlops of a system with dual core Opterons.

http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfis...eise.de%2fnewsticker%2fmeldung%2f60976

The dual Opteron competitor comes at present in this floating decimal point discipline (with four processor/eight cores) on approximately 30 GFlop/s

Peak Gflops of quoted 1.6GHz Itanium 2 Montecito is 51.2Gflops, calculated by: 1.6GHz x 4 flops per cycle x 8 cores. The 60% increase over 4-way system is, 4 proc/8 core Power 5 system at 1.9GHz.

http://www.itjungle.com/tlb/tlb071205-story03.html

What Intel is really excited about, of course, is that a four-socket Montecito system running at 1.6 GHz can beat a four-socket Power5 system from IBM with the same number of processor cores. The p5 575 server with four dual-core 1.9 GHz Power5 chips delivered 34.57 gigaflops of sustained performance on the Linpack test, with a theoretical peak performance of 60.8 gigaflops.

peak for 1.6GHz Itanium Montecito is not 64Gflops, but 51.2Gflops, since Itanium can do 4 flops per cycle, which makes single core 6.4Gflops, which makes 8 core 51.2Gflops.

Now why should Intelia listen to you people who makes serious mistakes(maybe deliberate?), that makes Itanium in dark light hmm???

Dual core Opteron with 4 processor/8 core gets 30Gflops, Itanium Montecito beats that over 50% at LESS POWER, plus there will be 2.0GHz versions of Montecito.

Let's see Opteron's peak Gflops at 2.2GHz: 2.2GHz x 2 flops/cycle x 8 cores =35.2Gflops, which looking at efficiency of Opteron's in Linpack compared to peak, I would say the 30Gflops is PEAK NUMBERS, NOT MEASURED NUMBERS, WHILE ITANIUM'S 45.8GFLOPS IS MEASURED NUMBERS.

Peak for Power 5: 1.9GHz x 4 flops/cycle x 8 cores=60.8Gflops, while the actual score is 34.78Gflops.

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=24459

Lowest Itanium 2 has a price of $530 for 1 GHz w/ 1.5M cache 400 MHz FSB (.13)

http://www.intel.com/intel/finance/pricelist/


2007 is common socket for Xeons and Itaniums.