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imported_michaelpatrick33

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Originally posted by: michaelpatrick33
Originally posted by: Intelia
Originally posted by: Acanthus
SPEC : The business worlds most depended upon CPU benchamark

Results for Itanium 2:

Dell Dell PowerEdge 3250 (1.4GHz/1.5MB, Itanium2) 1 core, 1 chip, 1 core/chip 824 824

Dell Dell PowerEdge 3250 (1.4GHz/3MB, Itanium2) 1 core, 1 chip, 1 core/chip 1022 1022

Dell Dell PowerEdge 3250 (1.5GHz/6MB, Itanium2) 1 core, 1 chip, 1 core/chip 1099 1099

The best Itanium Result: (the most expensive CPU, costing more than a 4 core opteron server)

Hewlett-Packard Company HP Integrity rx4640-8 (1.6GHz/9MB Itanium 2) 1 core, 1 chip, 1 core/chip 1590 1590

Results for SINGLE CORE AMD Athlon FX-57: published by AMD

Advanced Micro Devices ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe, AMD Athlon (TM) 64 FX-57 1 core, 1 chip, 1 core/chip 1862 1970

Results for SINGLE CORE AMD Opteron 250 in x86-64 Linux

Fujitsu Siemens Computers CELSIUS V810, Opteron (TM) 250, Linux 64-bit 1 core, 1 chip, 1 core/chip 1706 1849

Even the Pentium-M goes toe to toe with the $2000+ Itanic

Dell Precision Mobile Workstation M60 (Pentium M 755) 1 core, 1 chip, 1 core/chip 1528 1541

Fish through the results yourself

The Itanium is beat by everything from Pentium 4s to Opterons to the Pentium-M, it had its time as a niche part a few years ago, even the 9MB cache part cant hold a candle to an FX-57 in Int or Float.

Now please, please, stop posting bullsh!t.

Hay post a link showing Itanium head to head against/ Itanium2/Xoen/Oppies running Linux. You guys post your links. I will read. Than and only than I will most my links . Fare enough. Your link showed nothing . They were all running differantO/S.


I will keep quoting Acanthus's thread until you reply to his/her post. That response you gave is ridulous. Obviously you can't compare a X86 chip and non X86 chip on the same O/S :roll:. The SPEC numbers are still accurate and I doubt they used emulation for the Itanium numbers :roll:. Answer his/her post, not with FUD or misdirection or cognitive dissosance. Answer his/her post.

Edit: Also please attempt to minimize your spelling errors because a typo or two is o.k. but consistent misspellings becomes annoying and takes away from the post. "Hay" should be "Hey", "Xoen" should be "Xeon", "Than" should be "Then", "Fare" should be "Fair", "differant" should be "different".

Again
 

Sixtyfour

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Originally posted by: Duvie
Well Unintelia as in his/her name is stupid and an F'ing fraud....So basically trying to reason with a person at lower intelligence is going to be hard....

My sig has all the wisdom needed against 'people' like Intelia. :)



 

Vegitto

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Originally posted by: Intelia
Just cut the Bull and post head to head running Linux . there are a lots of reviews of this post 1

You cut the fvcking bullsh*t. There's no such thing as Linux for Itanium, simply because Itanium can't handle x86 code.
 

Intelia

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Keep it coming I will post the links but not till I get 1 person that hasn't posted to go blu blu blu . you guys are like sheep.
 

Vegitto

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Originally posted by: Intelia
Keep it coming I will post the links but not till I get 1 person that hasn't posted to go blu blu blu . you guys are like sheep.

Intelia, stop blabbering over my posts. I have said (multiple times, even) that you are asking the impossible. Itanium is unable to run Linux. It just CANNOT run Linux.
 

Intelia

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Originally posted by: Vegitto
Originally posted by: Intelia
Keep it coming I will post the links but not till I get 1 person that hasn't posted to go blu blu blu . you guys are like sheep.

Intelia, stop blabbering over my posts. I have said (multiple times, even) that you are asking the impossible. Itanium is unable to run Linux. It just CANNOT run Linux.

http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?FORM=MSN8A&q=Linux+64+bit+O%2fS

I am sorry how could I have been so misinformed????

 

Duvie

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Originally posted by: Intelia
Originally posted by: angryswede
even if that is true, flops are nothing more than theoretical benchmarks that dont necessarily mean anything in terms of real world performance.

Now thats a good reply and I agree.


http://www.datadirect.com/developer/odbc/docs/ODBCwhy64bit.pdf



What again are you proving with this link???

And again!! Why has this lead to here from your claim apples will use itanium chips?? Prove that claim???
 

Vegitto

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Originally posted by: Intelia
Originally posted by: Vegitto
Originally posted by: Intelia
Keep it coming I will post the links but not till I get 1 person that hasn't posted to go blu blu blu . you guys are like sheep.

Intelia, stop blabbering over my posts. I have said (multiple times, even) that you are asking the impossible. Itanium is unable to run Linux. It just CANNOT run Linux.

http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?FORM=MSN8A&q=Linux+64+bit+O%2fS

I am sorry how could I have been so misinformed????


Intelia, you just proved you're stupid. Itanium is indeed 64-bit, but it has a different architecture. Now, read this WiKi, and masturbate, as you probably would.

After you're done, and you've cleaned up the mess, you might notice that the Itanium is NOT based on the x86 architecture, but on the IA-64 architecture. This means that Itanium is NOT fit for Linux.
 

Sixtyfour

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Originally posted by: Vegitto
Originally posted by: Intelia
Just cut the Bull and post head to head running Linux . there are a lots of reviews of this post 1

You cut the fvcking bullsh*t. There's no such thing as Linux for Itanium, simply because Itanium can't handle x86 code.
Linux is not a synonym for x86, it's just a name for the operating system like windows is for MS OS.

http://www.novell.com/products/linuxprofessional/downloads/ftp/int_mirrors.html

http://www.ia64-linux.org/
 

Intelia

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Originally posted by: Duvie
Originally posted by: Intelia
Originally posted by: angryswede
even if that is true, flops are nothing more than theoretical benchmarks that dont necessarily mean anything in terms of real world performance.

Now thats a good reply and I agree.


http://www.datadirect.com/developer/odbc/docs/ODBCwhy64bit.pdf



What again are you proving with this link???

And again!! Why has this lead to here from your claim apples will use itanium chips?? Prove that claim???


Duvie I already posted 1 link on that . How can I prove this its not possiable! Look I already realize you are one of the most capable people here .

Duvie I know you can find this info if you want .But whats the good of it ? It can't be proved either way! I got 1 question whats the name of this post.

Come on lets be reasonable.


 

angryswede

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i am aware that 64 bit computers will arrive and be faster down the road. but this link doesnt say anything relevent. i m not sure what is wrong with you. do you hold stock in intel or something? the Itanium is an overpriced underperforming chip that didnt even come close to meeting expectations.
 

Vegitto

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Originally posted by: Sixtyfour
Originally posted by: Vegitto
Originally posted by: Intelia
Just cut the Bull and post head to head running Linux . there are a lots of reviews of this post 1

You cut the fvcking bullsh*t. There's no such thing as Linux for Itanium, simply because Itanium can't handle x86 code.
Linux is not a synonym for x86, it's just a name for the operating system like windows is for MS OS.

http://www.novell.com/products/linuxprofessional/downloads/ftp/int_mirrors.html

Okay, I had that part wrong. Sorry about that. But, please explain, how could you call a benchmark 'fair' when the O/S it's running on is optimized for it's respective code? I'm sure Intelia wouldn't find it fair, either.

But, anyway, I partially own an Opteron server, I can have it benchmarked if you want. Just tell me what to get on it (it's not anywhere near me, but I can work out something), since I don't know crap about it, I just use it for my website.
 

Duvie

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The name of the post is Intel & apple whats goin on....

I know that much but show me proof of the statement you made back about 20 post ago where you think the itaniums will be used in the apple machines???
 

Intelia

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Originally posted by: Duvie
The name of the post is Intel & apple whats goin on....

I know that much but show me proof of the statement you made back about 20 post ago where you think the itaniums will be used in the apple machines???

Duvie I already posted a link on that. Thats were I got it from and about 30 articles on the same subject . Man I can't do more than that.

 

angryswede

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haha yeah you are only talking about intel taking over the world with apple because the 'itanic' is superior to everything AMD is offering. all your posts are the same intel is so great and AMD just stole everything and apparently there is a lot of secret documentation supporting that. you are annoying. fvck off.
 

ZobarStyl

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Originally posted by: Intelia
Originally posted by: Duvie
The name of the post is Intel & apple whats goin on....

I know that much but show me proof of the statement you made back about 20 post ago where you think the itaniums will be used in the apple machines???

Duvie I already posted a link on that. Thats were I got it from and about 30 articles on the same subject . Man I can't do more than that.
Not to argue with an idiot, but the link you posted way back there was a speculation article from 28 months ago, stating that he expected Apple to go Intel in 12 months, so granted he was off by quite a bit; plus 2+ years ago Itanium didn't look quite as bad as it does now, what with it still sitting quietly as a very expensive but relatively low performance chip (by price/performance it's a nightmare), combined with the fact that Athlon 64 wasn't even out yet and dual core was a distant horizon. He was expecting (as most did) that Itanium might go somewhere yet, although that clearly was not the case. So while you're at it, post one of the 30 other magic articles you reference; and no, typing 64 bit and Linux into a search doesn't count as a reference link, considering EMT64 and IA64 aren't even slightly related.

Post actual facts as to why Apple, a niche product, would use Itanium, a dying architecture, to push its already expensive products? And since when does anyone use Mac's as servers? Last I checked the AT article showed that Mac's ran servers at about a tenth of the speed of equivalent Opteron and Xeon setups.
 

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Originally posted by: angryswede
even if that is true, flops are nothing more than theoretical benchmarks that dont necessarily mean anything in terms of real world performance.

Eh, aren't theoretical benchmarks the place where Itanium does best? I believe there is one specific benchmark that Itanium does lead in.....just slightly ahead of some cheaper IBM cpu and like 40% ahead of a much cheaper Opteron.

There's no such thing as Linux for Itanium, simply because Itanium can't handle x86 code.

Well, I think Itanium can emulate x86, so shouldn't it work at vastly reduced performance?
And Linux is available for more than just x86, isn't it the most widely spread OS, or close to it?

But, please explain, how could you call a benchmark 'fair' when the O/S it's running on is optimized for it's respective code? I'm sure Intelia wouldn't find it fair, either.

Eh, aren't all OSes optimized for the platforms they run on? If you really think that Linux running on Opterons isn't optimized, they run it on a Xeon, many things are Intel optimized.

This thread isn't comparing bench marks to AMD. Get over it.

Yep, it's just talking about how Itanium would be a very poor choice for any personal computer. Even the Xeon is much better for small servers than the Itanium, the only place the Itanium has any place for Intel is in massively parallel servers, where Xeon just wouldn't scale as well.(and in that case, AMD, Sun, and IBM all have cpus that scale just as well, the opteron probably better than the others for up to 16 cpus)

Itanium may not even have a place in the near future when Intel's Xeons get integrated memory controllers and a new memory bus, expect in 2008 that Xeon will rule the server world.

Last I checked the AT article showed that Mac's ran servers at about a tenth of the speed of equivalent Opteron and Xeon setups.

Is that a problem of the OS, or the G5 cpus they were running on? I think the Apples have similar low performance under the Apple server OS and Linux, so x86 hardware could be a big boost all around to Apple.
 

Acanthus

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Originally posted by: Intelia
Originally posted by: Duvie
The name of the post is Intel & apple whats goin on....

I know that much but show me proof of the statement you made back about 20 post ago where you think the itaniums will be used in the apple machines???

Duvie I already posted a link on that. Thats were I got it from and about 30 articles on the same subject . Man I can't do more than that.

You can though, because for some reason you think IA64 and X86-64 are the same thing. They are not.

Itanium is not compatible with windows XP-64 or server 2003 for 64 bit. It needs an IA64 operating system.
 

Intelia

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Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: Intelia
Originally posted by: Duvie
The name of the post is Intel & apple whats goin on....

I know that much but show me proof of the statement you made back about 20 post ago where you think the itaniums will be used in the apple machines???

Duvie I already posted a link on that. Thats were I got it from and about 30 articles on the same subject . Man I can't do more than that.

You can though, because for some reason you think IA64 and X86-64 are the same thing. They are not.

Itanium is not compatible with windows XP-64 or server 2003 for 64 bit. It needs an IA64 operating system.

I don't know the differance . True 64 bit Vs emulated 64 bits . It seems i do know ! Itanium can be ported to run both.

 

Greenman

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Why in the world is everyone trying to prove anything to this fool? He, she or it will not be swayed by facts in the face of higher truth. This person knows intel is a far better cpu than amd. Thats it, end of story. He/she will not hear anything that doesn't agree with what they already know, so why bother arguing? Go watch sponge bob, lower your blood pressure.