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[Genx87]

market share

That will happen when a CPU giant starts selling a GPU on their CPU. But what of it?

 

[Olikan]

That will happen when a CPU giant starts selling a GPU on their CPU. But what of it?

you get f***ed, exactly my point....

 

[Nintendesert]

By shipping GPUs that nobody uses on CPUs that everyone uses market share becomes a worthless measuring stick.

 

[railven]

By shipping GPUs that nobody uses on CPUs that everyone uses market share becomes a worthless measuring stick.

No one uses? Really? I remember when people didn't want a discrete card, we'd be buying ATI or GeForce IGPs - which oddly everyone in that situation used.

Now, we're buying Intel Processors or AMD Processors - and still everyone in this situation will be using.

I've built more systems recently with an AMD APU than I have with a discrete card. Not sure if some of you notice, but everyone is trying to save money and when you tell them "well this A6 can play games at about Xbox level and it's ~$100 cheaper" they usually say "go for it."

 

[Genx87]

you get f***ed, exactly my point....

I didnt know your point was about getting f***ed. What about Intel shipping a GPU on their CPU's screws me?

 

[Nintendesert]

No one uses? Really? I remember when people didn't want a discrete card, we'd be buying ATI or GeForce IGPs - which oddly everyone in that situation used.

Now, we're buying Intel Processors or AMD Processors - and still everyone in this situation will be using.

I've built more systems recently with an AMD APU than I have with a discrete card. Not sure if some of you notice, but everyone is trying to save money and when you tell them "well this A6 can play games at about Xbox level and it's ~$100 cheaper" they usually say "go for it."

That's nice. The % of people that use those crap GPUs that Intel puts on their CPUs grossly inflates any market share figures that get used and shouldn't be the measuring stick to determine success of GPU makers as a whole. There, that's better. :thumbsup:

 

[Lonyo]

By shipping GPUs that nobody uses on CPUs that everyone uses market share becomes a worthless measuring stick.

When 100% of shipping computers support something, marketshare becomes a worthless measuring stick.
It's like x86 vs x86-64. In theory, Microsoft could drop 32-bit versions of their OS because apart from some low end Atoms, everything supports x86-64.
The more support you have, the better. Now marketshare for OpenCL supporting products will head towards 100%, which can only be beneficial for more widespread utilisation in software.

 

[railven]

That's nice. The % of people that use those crap GPUs that Intel puts on their CPUs grossly inflates any market share figures that get used and shouldn't be the measuring stick to determine success of GPU makers as a whole. There, that's better. :thumbsup:

I didn't realize we were discussing success. I just countered your "nobody uses" point. Whether we like the product or not, far more use it than we give credit to. I mean - faaaaaaar more.

 

[Denithor]

The more support you have, the better. Now marketshare for OpenCL supporting products will head towards 100%, which can only be beneficial for more widespread utilisation in software.

I think I see what the OP was after, it's actually in this same vein. If you combine OpenCL/Physx/QuickSync together it all basically boils down to GPGPU computing. Some tasks just run better on GPU than CPU.

Now, combine that with the fact that from SB forward all Intel CPUs, along with all AMD APUs will feature at least some minimum level of power available for GPGPU compute and now you have a situation where the installed base is large enough to attract more attention from programmers/designers. It's hard to justify developing software for a 10% installed user base but once enough of these iGPUs get into the market I think we'll start to see that change.

And I don't see this as being a serious problem for nVidia just yet, it simply means that they won't be selling many <$75-100 discrete cards once SB/IB really begin to saturate the market. They will just have to push harder to stay ahead of the curve. And, as mentioned above, 4k monitors (or maybe a holodeck) will demand more GPU power than Intel can easily provide in a 95W package.

 

[Olikan]

I didnt know your point was about getting f***ed. What about Intel shipping a GPU on their CPU's screws me?

it takes market share of low end products, which takes part of theyr revenue, that drops R&D.....and than we have a snow ball effect.

as i said, if nvidia don't do anything, it will slowly die....just like matrox that couldn't keep the race of ati and nvidia...

but the race here is the igps of amd and intel...