Intel acknowledged as one of the most ETHICAL companies in America!
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I predict no less than 20% of that list is charged with cooking the books and/or insider trading by the end of the year.
dullard
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I can understand why Intel and Microsoft are on there. Did you read the article? This is what they rate:
1) Environment looks at positive programs in place such as pollution reduction, recycling, and energy-saving measures; as well as negative measures such as level of pollutants, EPA citations, fines, lawsuits, and other measures.
2) Community relations looks at philanthropy, any foundation the company has, community service projects, educational outreach, scholarships, employee volunteerism, and so forth.
3) Employee relations looks at wages relative to the industry, benefits paid, family-friendly policies, parental leave; team management, employee empowerment, and so forth.
4) Diversity looks at percent of minority and women among employees, managers, and board members; any EEOC complaints; diversity programs in place; lawsuits, and so forth.
5) Customer relations might include quality management programs, quality awards won, customer satisfaction measures, lawsuits, and so forth.
My thoughts
1) Compared to other industries, Intel and Microsoft of course have much less pollution so they score high here.
2) Intel and Microsoft have tons of money, thus they have more to give out to the community.
3) I don't really know the employee benefits at either company, but I bet their employees are taken care of quite well.
4) Diversity - looking at all the foreign students at my university in the computer department it is easy to see how Intel and Microsoft will be very diversified.
5) Any company that fought through competition and won a near monopoly must have done something right that the consumers like. Yes they aren't perfect, but would you be rather using a variety of DOS or OS2? No Microsoft has made products that are very user friendly and most consumers are satisfied. Same goes with Intel.
So of course Intel and Microsoft are on the list.
BFG10K
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Nice post Dullard. I agree with all of your comments.
Also I believe Gates himself gives out very large and generous amounts of money to charities. People get all bent out of shape about this and claim he's only trying to boost his image but hell, I'm sure those starving kids don't care what his motives are. He's doing good and that's all that really matters.
Also I believe Gates himself gives out very large and generous amounts of money to charities. People get all bent out of shape about this and claim he's only trying to boost his image but hell, I'm sure those starving kids don't care what his motives are. He's doing good and that's all that really matters.
AgaBoogaBoo
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Another Fine Reply, hehe. Either way, Intel and Microsoft should both be on the list for the great reasons Dullard said and yes Bill Gates gives out lots of money, I do n't think its to boost his self image IMO, but instead he may have motives to not leave his children with too much money, of course they'll be well off for the rest of their lives but not that many billions of dollars.
With those particular parameters, both Intel and Microsoft should score well. With another set, they likely wouldn't look so good.
And charitable contributions can be deceptive. If a company uses unfair practices to make an extra billion, then gives 50 million to charity, they look like heroes, when they're really theives and bullies...
And charitable contributions can be deceptive. If a company uses unfair practices to make an extra billion, then gives 50 million to charity, they look like heroes, when they're really theives and bullies...
Originally posted by: mechBgon
Intel never tests their CPUs on live animals, ok?
Oh yeah? What do they think we are?
:beer:I'm not surprised. I have worked for two companies in my career and I have worked very closely with a third. Comparing Intel to the other two, it's apparent to me which is the more ethical company and it's clearly Intel. I have been impressed with the ethics of our senior management - particularly in the way that they deal with the rank and file employees. After 8 years of working for Intel (today was my 8th "anniversary"), I have yet to be disappointed by the company that I work for - something that my friends who work for other companies probably can't say in honesty.
As far as Dullard's post, I don't see that any of the reasons that he mentioned are good reasons why Intel shouldn't be high on the list. And I can think of plenty of reasons why Intel should be high on the ethics list... starting with the fact that the company's executives seem to be extremely ethical people. In my dealings with them - and I'm one of those who tends to ask difficult questions of our management during meetings - I have consistently been impressed.
As far as Dullard's post, I don't see that any of the reasons that he mentioned are good reasons why Intel shouldn't be high on the list. And I can think of plenty of reasons why Intel should be high on the ethics list... starting with the fact that the company's executives seem to be extremely ethical people. In my dealings with them - and I'm one of those who tends to ask difficult questions of our management during meetings - I have consistently been impressed.
Intel is one of the most ethical because unlike most of the unethical companies out there, it is mostly run by engineers. All engineers know that if they let crap flow by them without them fixing it, something WILL screw up and they are gonna haveta fix it later and they will probably get fired after they fix it so why not just do it now.
I don't know about you other guys out there but when a problem arises, it is not a matter of "should I fix it?" but more like "crap, how am I going to fix this fast?" to the engineer.
Btw, the "engr" in my username doesn't stand for engineer...it stands for ugh, engraver...yeah.
I don't know about you other guys out there but when a problem arises, it is not a matter of "should I fix it?" but more like "crap, how am I going to fix this fast?" to the engineer.
Btw, the "engr" in my username doesn't stand for engineer...it stands for ugh, engraver...yeah.
Intel has done some really unethical things like the strongarm tactics around opteron's launch. Of course, I don't know of any company that doesn't do that so I think that they probably deserve such a place on that list relative to other companies.
Do you know about these "strongarm tactics" for a fact? Or is this just something you read on theinquirer?
But I agree with everything that pm said. I'm 34 and have held my fair share of jobs. I have NEVER been anywhere else where the employees were treated so well.
Intel is an excellent company to work for, and I have yet to see anything remotely unethical done there.
I have to disagree there... Intel uses all sorts of nasty chemicals in the process, and more water than you can imagine. If it weren't for the continuous concious effort, the amount of pollution and waste put out by one fab could be phenominal.
Strong arm tactics are unethical?! How so precisely? Is lying involved or some kind of clandestine and criminal acitivity?
No, Intel says to company A, "Look, if you pick up the Opteron line of processors you can forget about the price cuts on P4's and IA2's we talked about." That puts the ball in Company A's court and now they have a decision to make.
That is business negotiation 101...use leverage whenever and wherever available.
But then look at the flip side...intel liscensed x86 and SSE and SSE2 to AMD to use in their processors.
No, Intel says to company A, "Look, if you pick up the Opteron line of processors you can forget about the price cuts on P4's and IA2's we talked about." That puts the ball in Company A's court and now they have a decision to make.
That is business negotiation 101...use leverage whenever and wherever available.
But then look at the flip side...intel liscensed x86 and SSE and SSE2 to AMD to use in their processors.
So call strongarm tactics is nothing more than normal business practices anyway, merely exercising the strong relation built up and represent how much the business value it.
So it's mull (sp?) point to discredit Intel due to that, since every business does it.
So it's mull (sp?) point to discredit Intel due to that, since every business does it.
Well, I suspect that Intel is a good employer, and environmentally aware, and not miserly when it comes to charity.
On the other hand, they've engaged in practices many would consider unethical when dealing with competitors, vendors, and the legal system. They have a history of filing dubious lawsuits to slow down the adoption of competitors' products, then settling out of court years later, on terms favorable to the defendants. AMD and Intel were partners during the 486 era, until Intel attempted to cut off the air supply when 32bit processors emerged, sued, and settled. They've put the same anchor on Via at least twice, settling again, once the desired effect had been achieved. And there's the Intel/Rambus fiasco, where they attempted to make money out of nothing other than their dominant position.
The notion that "everybody does it, so it's OK" is utterly erroneous, particularly when it comes to bullying customers. You'll notice that none of this is ever put into official documents, for a reason- it's illegal, anti-competitive behavior. It wasn't tough to read between the lines when major mobo makers had to back-door slot Tbird boards, or when Via had to market their own line of boards to get their p4 chipset out into the marketplace.
Just my opinion, my pov- Imagine the PC market w/o AMD and VIA, if you will- we might be getting p4 willamettes by now, at 1.4gig, running rambus. A new machine would run you at least $2500, and wouldn't be much improvement over your old rig, if any.....
On the other hand, they've engaged in practices many would consider unethical when dealing with competitors, vendors, and the legal system. They have a history of filing dubious lawsuits to slow down the adoption of competitors' products, then settling out of court years later, on terms favorable to the defendants. AMD and Intel were partners during the 486 era, until Intel attempted to cut off the air supply when 32bit processors emerged, sued, and settled. They've put the same anchor on Via at least twice, settling again, once the desired effect had been achieved. And there's the Intel/Rambus fiasco, where they attempted to make money out of nothing other than their dominant position.
The notion that "everybody does it, so it's OK" is utterly erroneous, particularly when it comes to bullying customers. You'll notice that none of this is ever put into official documents, for a reason- it's illegal, anti-competitive behavior. It wasn't tough to read between the lines when major mobo makers had to back-door slot Tbird boards, or when Via had to market their own line of boards to get their p4 chipset out into the marketplace.
Just my opinion, my pov- Imagine the PC market w/o AMD and VIA, if you will- we might be getting p4 willamettes by now, at 1.4gig, running rambus. A new machine would run you at least $2500, and wouldn't be much improvement over your old rig, if any.....
Yes. They are unethical. They're also ILLEGAL. It's called antitrust. Company A threatening rammifications if you deal with company B is illegal in the U.S. and Canada.
Yes. That's EXACTLY what I said in my original post.
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