Intel About To Take The Performance Crown Back?

[clarkey01]

I like AMD, and I think its healthy for all of us when AMD is doing well and putting Intel under pressure with the K8.

But with new Prescott?s slated for q3/q4 this year with 1066FSB, 2MB Cache and up to speeds of 3.7/3.8 GHz ? Do you think Intel will retake the performance crown and put AMD back into second place ?

Any thoughts or responses will be applauded !

 

[Vette73]

People already have P4s running at, or above, 1066FSB. The EE has more then enough cache, and it still loses most of the time now. etc...

There are no core improvemnets, just bumps in cache and FSB.
The .090 A64/Opteron will not only get a faster Mhz but is getting soem core improvments also. So looks like the A64 will be tops for a little while longer.

 

[LTC8K6]

Intel doesn't need to "retake the performance crown". They just need to make good processors. As far as the vast majority of computer users know, Intel has always been the performance leader and never lost any crown.

Now, us computer geeks know that's not true, but we are a small minority.

Unless AMD becomes more visible, Intel has little need to actually have the fastest desktop CPU.

Heck, I know AMD makes great processors and that they are faster than Intel's and a better value most of the time, to boot. I even own AMD systems, and Intend to build a new AMD system fairly soon.

I still remain fairly loyal to Intel, though. I am still more familiar with Intel, more comfortable with Intel, more likely to buy a P4.

Who has the fastest CPU at the moment really never enters my decisions.

 

[CVSiN]

agree 100% with LTC.. well said.. that is 100% true AMD has more battles to face than just having the fastest cheapest proc.. the problem is Intels customer base outside the geek world..
they will continue to beat AMD until AMD becomes a household word like Intel Sony Microsoft etc..

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: CVSiN
agree 100% with LTC.. well said.. that is 100% true AMD has more battles to face than just having the fastest cheapest proc.. the problem is Intels customer base outside the geek world..
they will continue to beat AMD until AMD becomes a household word like Intel Sony Microsoft etc..

They need TV ads, it's the only thing that mainstream America's shopping habits are effected by. I see them on Lance Armstrong, I see they are Ferrari's technology partner, but that just isn't nearly enough exposure. It certainly has a prestige factor, but now get the TV spots out featuring them

As to the performance crown, a new EE may win back some of the benchies, but it won't run the table. Also, AMD will answer back or perhaps preempt with a faster part of their own and nose ahead in all likelyhood.

 

[clarkey01]

Got to look @ the funds AMD has, marketings hard since the cash just aint there, but what good are ads if the tech aint good enough ? lol this isnt the case but as much as i like AMD i just see Intel pulling out all the stops.

call me an amd fanboy, but they'v always given me the best bang for buck, even if that bang was only 2nd to Intels.

 

[clarkey01]

also what does the 1066 FSB, 2MB Cache do ? like in terms of performance ? e.g like 2MB of cache wouldnt do as much on an A64 as it would P4 ? you get me ?.

 

[clarkey01]

"Intel doesn't need to "retake the performance crown"

I agree but that wont stop them from trying.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

AMD needs TV spots and while I'm somewhat familiar with their finacial profile, this is a case of "you have to spend money to make money" I believe the return on investment would more than make it worth their while.

from the front page AMD has been riding a wave of success but only have a half percent marketshare increase to show for it=TV advertising is a must! What good does it do to lead and innovate if no one knows you're doing it?

also what does the 1066 FSB, 2MB Cache do ? like in terms of performance ? e.g like 2MB of cache wouldnt do as much on an A64 as it would P4 ? you get me ?

The only thing AMD needs is more clockspeed and memory controller tweaks to perform better since it scales so well. The 2mb L2 is already on the EE so they would just be increasing the bandwidth, which seems to be another area Intel benefits from more than A64, and clockspeed. It will give the EE a boost no doubt, but probably not enough as Marlin mentioned. The A64's on-die memory controller is pure genius :heart:

 

[unbiased]

AMD are the 'BETTY' of the processor world and INTEL are the 'VERONICA'.
Like Betty AMD is poor but works harder and gives satisfaction while like Veronica INTEL has the wast fortune to back even its bad decesions and the financial muscle to keep on churning ads to make people beleive that Intel is the best.

 

[SneakyStuff]

I agree with DAPUNISHER AMD needs more than the tour de france to get into the heads of the average consumer. They're wasting their lead by not advertising. My 2 cents.

 

[Falloutboy]

I just hope that the .09 athlons rack up the speed easily. if they do I wouldn't be surprised they try to get to 3ghz before intel even makes it to 4ghz. if amd makes it too 3ghz I really don't see what intel can do the prescotss are all ready hitting a wall around 4ghz on thier current process maybe they can stretch it to 4.2 but its going to be toasty.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Falloutboy
I just hope that the .09 athlons rack up the speed easily. if they do I wouldn't be surprised they try to get to 3ghz before intel even makes it to 4ghz. if amd makes it too 3ghz I really don't see what intel can do the prescotss are all ready hitting a wall around 4ghz on thier current process maybe they can stretch it to 4.2 but its going to be toasty.

Sony actually does a Viao for P4 that's water cooled now. I wonder if it's a prelude of things to come if looking for a high-end OEM Intel rig in the near future?

 

[TStep]

AMD needs the equivalent of the little blue men.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: TStep
AMD needs the equivalent of the little blue men.

It's---> little green men, blue man group, and bunny men respectively

 

[LTC8K6]

Sony actually does a Viao for P4 that's water cooled now

Well, that Sony VAIO actually just has a heat pipe.

While a heat pipe is filled with a liquid, it is not "water cooled" in the sense that most computer folks mean when they say water cooled.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: LTC8K6

Sony actually does a Viao for P4 that's water cooled now

Well, that Sony VAIO actually just has a heat pipe.

While a heat pipe is filled with a liquid, it is not "water cooled" in the sense that most computer folks mean when they say water cooled.

Thanks for clearifying that Is it a Sony tech or is the cooling solution available 3rd party?

 

[LTC8K6]

It's actually pretty neat, don't know if it's proprietary. They split the heatpipe up into 2 halves. Half is, of course, on the CPU, the other half is in front of the PS fan, I think.

Click on R series in action, then inside, to see the heatpipe

 

[CVSiN]

How does that voodoo PC one work that says no fans no liquid... the case is a giant heat sink? how does it work?

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: CVSiN
How does that voodoo PC one work that says no fans no liquid... the case is a giant heat sink? how does it work?

It weighs about 200lbs and you are lucky if you can roll it around on its wheels.

Scary actually.

 

[tallman45]

That like saying who is better Coke or Pepsi.

Do you think either one cares ? What they care about is that number 3 (if there even is one) is light years behind them.

I bet Intel is more than happy that AMD is in the ballgame, imagine if Intel were the undisputed best chip out there. Another court battle like MS went through would arise for sure. For now Intel is happy being slower that AMD and still selling tons of processors.

 

[yhelothar]

The dothan chips out stacks up really well onto the Athlon64s.
Intel just needs to drop their crappy netburst crap, and get the dothan out for desktop.

 

[ZobarStyl]

I agree that Dothan/Banias based chips for desktops could do a lot more for Intel than P4's can, but unfortunately with the P4 line Intel made regular consumers believe once and for all that Mhz is king, so now they can't go back on it. Too bad for them.

 

[clarkey01]

"Do you think either one cares ?"


did i say they did ? and if they dont care why not sell celeron 200Mhz made on a 0.35 micron process for £1K each ?

 

[dguy6789]

Originally posted by: DAPUNISHER
AMD needs TV spots and while I'm somewhat familiar with their finacial profile, this is a case of "you have to spend money to make money" I believe the return on investment would more than make it worth their while.

from the front page AMD has been riding a wave of success but only have a half percent marketshare increase to show for it=TV advertising is a must! What good does it do to lead and innovate if no one knows you're doing it?

also what does the 1066 FSB, 2MB Cache do ? like in terms of performance ? e.g like 2MB of cache wouldnt do as much on an A64 as it would P4 ? you get me ?

The only thing AMD needs is more clockspeed and memory controller tweaks to perform better since it scales so well. The 2mb L2 is already on the EE so they would just be increasing the bandwidth, which seems to be another area Intel benefits from more than A64, and clockspeed. It will give the EE a boost no doubt, but probably not enough as Marlin mentioned. The A64's on-die memory controller is pure genius :heart:

The current P4 has 1MB l2 cache and 2MB L3 cache. Not 2MB L2. If intel addead another MB of L2 cache onto the prescott, then it would have alot more room for mispredicted branches, and since that is what it does best(mispredicting branches) and this will get rid of almost all of that, which means a very very good intel chip. Cache dont help as much on amds, as they dont mispredict branches or any type of data much at all, they are all very efficient, thats why they can get away with all socket 939s being 512K l2 cache instead of a MB, because they relized it makes no real world performance diff and saves em money.