Intel 520 or sam 840p?

[blastingcap]

If you're referring to the French e-tailer statistics, Samsung has never been included in those. You can't really say that Intel has the best rep because there are no failure rate statistics to support it. Yes, Intel has very low return/failure rates but that does not mean that Samsung can't achieve the same rates.

Samsung was an OEM only SSD manufacturer before the SSD 470, which is why they haven't built as high reputation among consumers as Intel has. SSD 830 is basically the first consumer SSD from Samsung that was available in sufficient volume and Samsung even made some effort to advertise it. Keep in mind that OEMs rarely choose any parts known to be unreliable, so I would not forget the fact that Samsung is one of the biggest OEM providers when taking reliability into account. There is a reason why for example Apple has chosen Samsung.

Have you actually seen or heard some user that experienced the issue before the update? A firmware update doesn't automatically mean that every single system was affected. It's possible that the BSOD bug was limited to systems with certain motherboards for instance, making the affected group of users fairly insignificant. I didn't hear about the BSOD bug until I read the release notes of the firmware update and I highly doubt the issue was widespread because there would have been threads about it.

That was Crucial/Micron since they do their own firmwares. For example Plextor's SSDs based on the same controller do not have this bug.

I think price is the main reason here.

To be clear, I am NOT saying Samsung has a bad rep (yes I know they were relative latecomers to retail sales under their own name), just that Samsung is not infallible. I said "major" because some glitches are relatively trivial, whereas BSOD or can't-find-drive glitches, etc. are more unfriendly to users. Not "major" as in "every drive was affected."

I also think it is kind of hard to say whether Intel or Samsung had a better rep, even excluding market awareness. Intel has had a very good rep in general in SSDs. Can we say they shared the best rep, at least prior to Sandforce? 😀 (And even there, I haven't heard of Intel Sandforce show-stopping bugs... nevertheless I will still avoid Sandforce for a while longer to be safe.)

In addition to the price I think the other reason you did not touch on is also relevant: after a certain point the end user can't even tell the difference in speed in normal use.

Thanks for the info on Crucial.

 

[tweakboy]

That is not how to let a drive idle.
TRIM does not happen at idle time.

You and coup27 may be right for most SSD

Crucial support told me 2 things. Our SSD doesn't just die suddenly, at least theirs. Also when you shut off comp that is one of ways our TRIM works for their SSD not Samsung or Intel I don't know about!!!

:whiste:

 

[Hellhammer]

I also think it is kind of hard to say whether Intel or Samsung had a better rep, even excluding market awareness. Intel has had a very good rep in general in SSDs. Can we say they shared the best rep, at least prior to Sandforce? 😀

That's kind of what I was trying to say. Both are very reliable so there isn't really a reason to say that one is more reliable than the other. I would also add Plextor to that list, their SSDs are rock solid as well.

And even there, I haven't heard of Intel Sandforce show-stopping bugs... nevertheless I will still avoid Sandforce for a while longer to be safe.

I would avoid SandForce already due to the fact that its performance is not consistent (lower performance with incompressible data). SandForce isn't the fastest one anymore either, so I would rather get a reliable, consistent drive (like Samsung or Crucial) instead of any SandForce drive, unless the price difference is just huge. SF-3000 may of course be a game changer.

 

[moonbogg]

The 840 pro uses a different kind of memory that has a shorter life span than the 830. The 830 is the better drive because everyone on Anandtech already bought 830s so we can't go back and get the 840pro now.

 

[blastingcap]

The 840 pro uses a different kind of memory that has a shorter life span than the 830. The 830 is the better drive because everyone on Anandtech already bought 830s so we can't go back and get the 840pro now.

I thought nonpro was tlc, and pro was still mlc

 

[moonbogg]

I thought nonpro was tlc, and pro was still mlc

Oh my bad. Thats the regular 840. Doesn't matter though since we all already bought 830s that makes the 830 better. No, but joking aside, i'd still grab the 830 no hesitations. The extra $100 for the 840 is a complete joke. Also, 830's going for $150-$170? Thats stupid cheap, especially for that drive.
This is just Samsung pushing forward with their tech to constantly improve and stay ahead of the game. They have to do that, but the 830 is still the drive to get.

 

[Remobz]

I thought nonpro was tlc, and pro was still mlc

I was going to get the 840pro as my first SSD. Should I be worried now?

OH nooos🙁

Edit***

I will still get the 840pro now🙂

 

[moonbogg]

I was going to get the 840pro as my first SSD. Should I be worried now?

OH nooos🙁

I'm sure its fantastic. There is no reason to think its not the best SSD out there. The only issue is that is costs $100 more than the 830 and provides no practical advantage.

 

[Coup27]

Somehow in the rip off UK the price difference between a basic kit 830 128GB and a basic kit 840 Pro is only $48.28 (ex. VAT) from www.scan.co.uk which is probably our largest computer hardware e-tailer.

 

[tweakboy]

does anyone think there is a noticable real world difference between the 2 drives 840 pro and intel 520 or just benchmarks?

No difference in app launching in boot time and work you do.

Only difference is , if you do large transfers it will kick in the RAID and double the 500mbps it will be 1000mbps copying.. thats only difference.

Im running on SATA 2. my boot up is 17 seconds, photoshop CS6 2 seconds. I have 260mbps but I dont do copying left and right so no need.

 

[mv2devnull]

Only difference is , if you do large transfers it will kick in the RAID and double the 500mbps it will be 1000mbps copying.. thats only difference.

You did fail to read what Mustanggt did ask. There is no RAID in this thread.


*Noticeable* ... flicker on screen, flavor of placebo, tone in music, speed in SSD, mood of woman. Some say that they notice the difference, others don't. Partly subjective, partly insignificant differences. SSD's I'd put into the latter category.

 

[Mustanggt]

Thanks for everyones help.
I decided to keep the Intel 520 for the reason for $20 more then the sam 830 i get a 5 year warranty and spending a $100 more for the 840pro is just foolish.

i have win 7 installed on it now and it feels the same as my M4 as far as speed little faster bootup bout it.

 

[johny12]

That's kind of what I was trying to say. Both are very reliable so there isn't really a reason to say that one is more reliable than the other. I would also add Plextor to that list, their SSDs are rock solid as well.



I would avoid SandForce already due to the fact that its performance is not consistent (lower performance with incompressible data). SandForce isn't the fastest one anymore either, so I would rather get a reliable, consistent drive (like Samsung or Crucial) instead of any SandForce drive, unless the price difference is just huge. SF-3000 may of course be a game changer.

Do you have any info on SF 3000, When is it going to be launched and what exactly are its features?

 

[Hellhammer]

Do you have any info on SF 3000, When is it going to be launched and what exactly are its features?

I haven't heard anything since CES. I'm guessing H1'13 launch but I have no data to support that. I wouldn't be surprised to see some prototypes and demos at CES 2013, though.

As for the features, SandForce has said performance with incompressible data is the top priority. Performance at small transfer sizes and random read/write speeds will also be improved.

 

[obidamnkenobi]

Apart from being out of stock, newegg has the 830 and 840 (non-pro) for the same price. So if it does come back in stock I'm debating which one I'd get. The 840 shows significantly faster random read/write times, but as pointed out here there is the TLC issues and the fact that it's relatively unproven..
Ideally I'd wait, but I want an SSD now! 🙂

edit: yes I know that on sale the 830 128GB has been down to $80 so it that happens again I just might jump on it, random access be damned.

 

[johny12]

The thing is the 520 is Sandforce which treats compressed data differently. Samsung HDDs preform the same way with compressed and uncompressed data.

Also, Sandforce has a bad reputation as having reliability problems which is more important than the speed numbers. Samsung has a bulletproof reliability reputation which makes me take whatever they are selling over anything Sandforce.

I dont agree with that Sandforce has a poor reliability record. The problem I saw for them in the past were BSOD for some users but many others latched onto it as if they experienced it themselves. Just have a look around - Intel, Hynix, OCZ ( Which owns Indilinx) all have been using sandforce even tough they have their own controller - does it not imply that they have a better controller than most