Intel 2013-2014 roadmap

[Rvenger]

4820k looks interesting actually. Has a high base clock too and now a K sku.

 

[Michael Meio]

I don't understand why some people force themselves to unsee the obvious. IMO the Haswell line is clearly not for enthusiasts and not worth to upgrade from Ivy or Sandy Bridge. Of course, purists would argue that you can squeeze more from Haswells but they also will agree that Intel wasn't targeting that specific market segment.
Yes, it's true that we -the enthusiasts- are used to be the center of attention of every single move, but not this time. This is a good example of a lineup destined for what many of us could consider 'mediocre'.
Did Intel thought about it?, of course! A chip takes time to develop and get the production lines rollin'. We were singled out.
Now it could be AMD's turn to roll the dices -and they have- by just releasing that 5GHz wafer. Then the benchmarks will be judging and perhaps conclude that it's not worth it either.
My latest upgrade at work was from a P45/Q6600 to an H7/E3-1230 V2. I don't OC my work rig but have built some systems specifically for it. Do I see a difference in my job? meh- a little.. (It's because I upgraded to SSD before the jump), the Q6600 was still a good performer -for my job-
Let me put it in close-up: Intel has 2 versions of me to bet on: My job setup and my personal gaming rig. Since I upgraded the workstation from a perfectly functional average performing Q6600, Haswell is not for this side of me. On the other hand, since I have a 2600K burning hot on games, what the hell do I need of a Haswell?.
Those are two misses in one shot from Intel to me.

 

[inf64]

2600K will be a perfect all around chip for a loong time. Maybe longer than Q6600 was (and it lasted long).

 

[Edrick]

I don't understand why some people force themselves to unsee the obvious. IMO the Haswell line is clearly not for enthusiasts

Based on what? The fact that they used TIM instead of solder? Or the fact that you believe everything you read on the internet and have no personal experience.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

4820k looks interesting actually. Has a high base clock too and now a K sku.

not that the 3820 needed unlocked multi to have one of the highest average overclocks, but it will definitely be interesting to see how Ivy-E CPUs do with overclocking as that's just about all they'll have now that we know they won't be offering more than 6 cores :\

 

[aigomorla]

nomnomnom..

i think i'll be picking up a 4960X and retire out my aging gulftown system.
Im more worried about the board giving out at this point... and not finding a suitable replacement.

Then u can hear me complain again in broadwell when i whine about no upgrade! WEEEE!

I don't understand why some people force themselves to unsee the obvious. IMO the Haswell line is clearly not for enthusiasts and not worth to upgrade from Ivy or Sandy Bridge.

its because typically enterprise gets the toys b4 everyone else.
enthusiest is enterprise, and were kinda bitter only u guys got haswell.
So were looking at haswell alternatives and finding it to be a bit sour from what we normally are on.

thats the only reason why haswell got so much spit.
Its the only upgrade for what were on... and yet... its not quite the upgrade..

 

[moonbogg]

4820k looks interesting actually. Has a high base clock too and now a K sku.

Exactly. Could this be the new 3770k but with a soldered heat spreader? I'm very interested in the OC potential of these chips. New, smaller, healthier silicon without the stupid heat paste might be an OC giant.

 

[Michael Meio]

Based on what? The fact that they used TIM instead of solder? Or the fact that you believe everything you read on the internet and have no personal experience.

ugh!

 

[IntelUser2000]

+ 8% (IB->Haswell) + 3% (Haswell Refresh) = 19% performance

The 4771 isn't Haswell refresh, but rather a part coming in Q3. Haswell refresh is next year.

Though, I don't expect much for the Haswell refresh either. If we don't see a clock speed increase for a Tock, we definitely won't see it for a "refresh". I doubt we'll see GT3 parts at all on Haswell.

Probably in Broadwell when mobile parts move to GT4.

 

[meloz]

They are releasing Z97 and H97 chipsets in Q2 2014, but no mention of Broadwell in the CPU roadmap? In Q2 2014 it just says 'Haswell refresh'. 😕

What about other Broadwell chipsets? Are they rationalizing (finally) down to just two chipsets?

 

[crashtech]

Exactly. Could this be the new 3770k but with a soldered heat spreader? I'm very interested in the OC potential of these chips. New, smaller, healthier silicon without the stupid heat paste might be an OC giant.

That's what I was thinking, the 4820K could be the soldered quad-core many have been wishing for.

Need to aim pretty high to get it, though. I'm gonna try and save my pennies for an LGA2011 system in the fall. I reckon I might need about 100,000 of them to make it happen.

 

[IntelUser2000]

They are releasing Z97 and H97 chipsets in Q2 2014, but no mention of Broadwell in the CPU roadmap? In Q2 2014 it just says 'Haswell refresh'. 😕

That's because Broadwell isn't coming to Desktops, only on Laptops. Hence the refresh of Haswell.

EDIT: Looks like Broadwell is coming to Desktops, but its going to come a lot later than the mobile variants.

 

[meloz]

Something funny is going on. They would not release two Broadwell chipsets without Broadwell CPUs. That does not make any sense! The chipset and CPU always launch in lockstep.

I hereby speculate that "Haswell Refresh" is roadmapspeak for Broadwell! As to why only two chipsets are there in the roadmap, I suspect it is because only those two will be available to other motherboard companies.

Intel will sell most Broadwell units as soldered MB+CPU combo to OEMs. Makes sense for OEMs, it cuts down on their testing and verification costs. At the same time it allows Intel greater control over platform power consumption. Unfortunately it also gives Intel the ultimate control on how to "featurize" and cripple their hardware in new ways and create a million different SKUs and micro-segments...

The two chipsets (Z97 and H97) are for motherboard manufacturers {Asus, Gigabyte etc) who have to satisfy the independent system builders and enthusiasts like us.

What do you guys think? Too crackpot a theory?

 

[IntelUser2000]

One of the rumors suggested Broadwell coming after Haswell Refresh, both being platform compatible. So the Z97 and H97 is for those chips.

Of course mobile goes with the normal schedule.

 

[SlowSpyder]

4820k looks interesting actually. Has a high base clock too and now a K sku.

I actually don't get this chip, maybe I'm missing the point of it...? What does it give you over the 3770K? A 200MHz base clock increase, extra memory bandwidth that a 4C/8T CPU probably doesn't need for any practical reason, and a couple of MB more cache. All with a huge increase in TDP and a more expensive platform.

I guess I could see it as a place holder for someone on a tight budget that wants to get into this platform for a future CPU, but other than that I guess I don't see why someone would spend the extra money on this over a 3770K. But like I said, maybe I'm just missing the point, but to me it looks like the least attractive option for that platform.

 

[crashtech]

I actually don't get this chip, maybe I'm missing the point of it...? What does it give you over the 3770K? A 200MHz base clock increase, extra memory bandwidth that a 4C/8T CPU probably doesn't need for any practical reason, and a couple of MB more cache. All with a huge increase in TDP and a more expensive platform.

I guess I could see it as a place holder for someone on a tight budget that wants to get into this platform for a future CPU, but other than that I guess I don't see why someone would spend the extra money on this over a 3770K. But like I said, maybe I'm just missing the point, but to me it looks like the least attractive option for that platform.

My presumption is that it is intended to be a more hardcore overclocker than the 3770K. The TDP for the 4820K may reflect this, as it shouldn't really dissipate much more heat than a 3770 clock for clock. Also the price premium really isn't that steep, but that's just my opinion, There are boards like the Asrock X79 Extreme 3 that sell for $190, and that's not even on special. Then of course there is quad channel RAM which is say another $60 or so over the average dual channel setup. So it's about $100 more than a decent Z87 setup, give or take, which really isn't bad to break into big dog territory.