Integrated graphics

[kuqdew]

1 simple Questions

Which one would you pick if you had to choose one to play basic games?

Nvidia Geforce 6100 or Intel GMA 950

 

[DaveSimmons]

nv 6100.

 

[siyan]

My gut feeling immediately says nVidia...

 

[kuqdew]

thx

any1 else

need as many opinions as possible

 

[Noema]

The nVidia of course, though, don't those 6100 use actual shared memory, instead of having their own dedicated VRAM?

I don't think either will be too hot for gaming, unless you planned on play 4 year old games.

 

[kuqdew]

nvidia uses shared memory i think

but

Does the intel GMA 950 use shared too???
its integrated too

 

[ViviTheMage]

nvidia.

 

[programmer]

nvidia or ati over intel

 

[Lemon law]

ha ha ha---you pathetic wimp---except I have the nvadia 6100 also---and gave it 128 MB of shared ram. For me it works fine----but I am not a gamer either. So the relevant comments may come from gamers---who may be better off feeding their addiction with super expensive vidio cards that cost as much as a computer all by themselves.---Vram is faster---and more than my current mobo limit of 128 MB of ram is better too--so its a question of need.---and which games you can play.---and it then also becomes a question of which games you cannot play because of the video bottleneck.---but when you find that MUST HAVE game the Nvadia 6100 can't play---then and only then must you pony up the big bucks to get a much faster card.---or not play the game with what you have.

For virtually everyone else other than a extreme gamer---the nvidia 6100 is a fine video solution. Correct me if I am wrong---but I think 128 MB of ram is even enough to drive the aero interface of vista.

So anyone can feel free to call me a cheap video wimp---but I will still be a happy camper.

 

[Smartazz]

I used that intel integrated graphics solution for about half a year, then I replaced it with a 7800GT. Basically the integrated card was fine for most games I played, but I was planning to upgrade to a 7800GT when I had the money to anyway. It'll work with a lot of games, just don't expect any eye candy with it.

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
ha ha ha---you pathetic wimp---except I have the nvadia 6100 also---and gave it 128 MB of shared ram. For me it works fine----but I am not a gamer either. So the relevant comments may come from gamers---who may be better off feeding their addiction with super expensive vidio cards that cost as much as a computer all by themselves.---Vram is faster---and more than my current mobo limit of 128 MB of ram is better too--so its a question of need.---and which games you can play.---and it then also becomes a question of which games you cannot play because of the video bottleneck.---but when you find that MUST HAVE game the Nvadia 6100 can't play---then and only then must you pony up the big bucks to get a much faster card.---or not play the game with what you have.

For virtually everyone else other than a extreme gamer---the nvidia 6100 is a fine video solution. Correct me if I am wrong---but I think 128 MB of ram is even enough to drive the aero interface of vista.

So anyone can feel free to call me a cheap video wimp---but I will still be a happy camper.

integrated really isn't a good solution for any gamer, not just extreme gamers.

 

[Smartazz]

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: Lemon law
ha ha ha---you pathetic wimp---except I have the nvadia 6100 also---and gave it 128 MB of shared ram. For me it works fine----but I am not a gamer either. So the relevant comments may come from gamers---who may be better off feeding their addiction with super expensive vidio cards that cost as much as a computer all by themselves.---Vram is faster---and more than my current mobo limit of 128 MB of ram is better too--so its a question of need.---and which games you can play.---and it then also becomes a question of which games you cannot play because of the video bottleneck.---but when you find that MUST HAVE game the Nvadia 6100 can't play---then and only then must you pony up the big bucks to get a much faster card.---or not play the game with what you have.

For virtually everyone else other than a extreme gamer---the nvidia 6100 is a fine video solution. Correct me if I am wrong---but I think 128 MB of ram is even enough to drive the aero interface of vista.

So anyone can feel free to call me a cheap video wimp---but I will still be a happy camper.

integrated really isn't a good solution for any gamer, not just extreme gamers.

I disagree with you on this though, some integrated cards are not good for any gamers, but these can play almost any game reasonably at low to medium settings. It should work as long as he plays something that isn't brand new like Oblivion, or the upcoming Crysis, although Crysis might be really scalable.

 

[Missing Ghost]

nvidia.

 

[SparkyJJO]

Nvidia hands down, intel integrated sucks.

 

[Arcanedeath]

Nvidia 6100 blows the GMA 950 out of the water, it still sucks but its a much better option that any Intel graphics.

 

[MechaSheeba]

Well what motherboards are you looking at? My first inclination is to recommend the 6100 over 950, but most 6100 boards are MATX and don't offer much as far as expansion. They're both gonna suck for games regardless, so I'd also take future upgradability into consideration before basing the decision on integrated graphics alone.

 

[Anonymous Freak]

Well, if you were wondering about the NEW integrated graphics (GMA X3000,) I'd say it's a tossup; but between the old Intel graphics (GMA 950) and nVidia, nVidia wins.

Why? nVidia's chipset does use shared memory, but it has a dedicated T&L unit in hardware. Meaning while it steals system memory, it doesn't suck processor power. The GMA 950 is really software 3D, only the 'software' is done in the firmware level, so Windows thinks it's hardware. (It also means that moving from a single core processor to a dual core processor, even in a non-multithreaded game, significantly improves performance.)

Intel's new GMA X3000, though (only the 'X' revision,) DOES have hardware T&L. That would be a much closer fight. (Although I haven't seen any independent benchmark numbers for it yet.) I still wouldn't use it for 'high-end' gaming, though.

P.S. ATI's Radeon Xpress 200 chipset is in line with the nVidia and X3000, hardware T&L.

 

[Lemon law]

I find it as a disturbing trend---no matter how fast current hardware becomes---someone will write software that pushes current hardware to and beyond its limits.

Now that the bottleneck for extreme gaming pushes memory, video, and processing power to new highs---with extreme users willing to pay the big bucks to keep current,
sooner or later there will be a split between people who need extreme power and will pay for the resulting costs---and those who just want a stable PC able to do normal things----and then two not one windows PC markets will develop---with costs going up for both groups.

 

[toyota]

Originally posted by: Smartazz

Originally posted by: fisher


For virtually everyone else other than a extreme gamer---the nvidia 6100 is a fine video solution. Correct me if I am wrong---but I think 128 MB of ram is even enough to drive the aero interface of vista.

So anyone can feel free to call me a cheap video wimp---but I will still be a happy camper.

integrated really isn't a good solution for any gamer, not just extreme gamers.

I disagree with you on this though, some integrated cards are not good for any gamers, but these can play almost any game reasonably at low to medium settings. It should work as long as he plays something that isn't brand new like Oblivion, or the upcoming Crysis, although Crysis might be really scalable.[/quote] a 6100 will barely crack 20 to 30 fps in most games even at 800x600 and medium/low settings. so if you plan on playing any modern games with eye candy it is basically useless.

 

[hurtstotalktoyou]

According to the benchmarks I've seen, the best integrated chipset is the nVidia GeForce 6150. The 6100 is second behind it, followed by the ATI integrated lineup. Intel, VIA and SiS integrated graphics are comparatively poor performers.

More importantly, however, the nVidia and ATI stuff is often CPU-overclocking friendly.

 

[xgsound]

With the Nvidia 6150 they get 5400 on 3d mark 2001 using the MSI K8NMG2-FID. So you should be able to use that # for comparision. There's a huge thread in the motherboard section on thier experiences. It's a Matx board, so it doesn't get much gamer use, mostly for Home Theater use.

The first post is often updated and says that ATI plans to release an improved integrated video board soon.


Jim

 

[ForumMaster]

nvidia. my friends has it cause his graphic card is only coming in a couple of weeks. he can play fable and HL2 quite well.

 

[lobbyone]

How bout this for comparison, I can enable hardware acceleration in the game Bejeweled with a NV 6100, but cannot with a IntelGMA...Bejeweled anyone? no?

Oh yea, Nvidia doh!

 

[fire400]

... dude a 50 dollar x300 card will play Unreal Tournament 2004 at very decent settings...

wtf, integrated graphics for gaming?

I mean, the x300XT is a radeon 9800 pro wannabe, put some pleasure into decent gaming will you? it will play silent hill 2 at max settings for crying out loud~

 

[toyota]

Originally posted by: fire400

I mean, the x300XT is a radeon 9800 pro wannabe, put some pleasure into decent gaming will you? it will play silent hill 2 at max settings for crying out loud~

an x300xt is not even close to the performance of a 9800pro. why would you even say that? the x700pro/xt was the card that was close to the 9800pro.





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