I am in need of a new system $ is tight i am getting rid of an ati x 850 pro with 12 pipes ( I did the bios update and opened 12 pipes ) My new system will have the Integrated ATI Radeon HD3200 PCI-e I will use the onboard graphics card until I can come up $ for a better graphics card What type video performance hit if any will I take I mostly use Flight sim 2004 and Call of duty 4 thanks for any advice !i
Integrated ATI Radeon HD3200 vs ati x850 pro performance
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cusideabelincoln
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You'll take a hit in the video card but you'll see a nice bump from the increases processor speed. In all, it's difficult for me to quantify what you'll see as it could really vary from game to game.
Although I do have an HD3200 integrated into my board. I could load up the COD4 demo and see how it runs in comparison with my older computer: Athlon XP Barton @ 2.275 with an X800GT.
Update:
Eh, I just played the COD4 demo with the integrated HD3200 and it was not pretty. I would say the experience was a little worse than I remember it on my older machine, even though I do have a much faster processor. The settings were basically on all low and at 1024x768. I was basically hovering around 20 fps, with it dropping to 17 occassionally and with little action going up to about 35. It was also choppy - although not the choppy I associate with low framerates. It was border-line micro-stuttering-ish, and I can only assume it's because the onboard video does not have any RAM of its own so it's using the slower system memory. But with that said, the game was very playable. I was quite surprised how playable it was with such a low framerate.
When I get the chance, probably sometime later today or tomorrow, I'll replay the COD4 demo with my X800GT and compare the two experiences. But I will say that since your X800 Pro is faster than my GT, and your processor is faster than my Athlon XP, that you are probably going to give up significant performance.
Although I do have an HD3200 integrated into my board. I could load up the COD4 demo and see how it runs in comparison with my older computer: Athlon XP Barton @ 2.275 with an X800GT.
Update:
Eh, I just played the COD4 demo with the integrated HD3200 and it was not pretty. I would say the experience was a little worse than I remember it on my older machine, even though I do have a much faster processor. The settings were basically on all low and at 1024x768. I was basically hovering around 20 fps, with it dropping to 17 occassionally and with little action going up to about 35. It was also choppy - although not the choppy I associate with low framerates. It was border-line micro-stuttering-ish, and I can only assume it's because the onboard video does not have any RAM of its own so it's using the slower system memory. But with that said, the game was very playable. I was quite surprised how playable it was with such a low framerate.
When I get the chance, probably sometime later today or tomorrow, I'll replay the COD4 demo with my X800GT and compare the two experiences. But I will say that since your X800 Pro is faster than my GT, and your processor is faster than my Athlon XP, that you are probably going to give up significant performance.
I've had an XP1700 with an AGP 3650 out perform a 4850 X2 with 3200 IGP with 128MB sideport memory.
AstroManLuca
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Some Radeon IGPs can use "Hybrid Crossfire" which basically lets you combine the integrated graphics with certain low-end graphics cards (e.g. Radeon 3450) to improve performance somewhat. But even then, I doubt you'll do any better than the X850, and if money is tight then buying a new $30 vid card to replace your old one (which isn't worth more than about $20 anyway) doesn't really make sense.
taltamir
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why not save money until you can afford the full upgrade? upgrading the CPU and downgrading the GPU will not yield better gaming performance overall... waiting a bit until you have more money also gives everything time to go down in price (so you save money on cpu and ram and mobo, not just on GPU when you buy it later)
I think you guys do not give IGPs enough credit.
The IGP on a hd3200 , if you use ddr2-1066 or ddr2-800 is not that slow. Its got 40 shader processors and is only a little slower than a radeon 3450/2400.
I have the hd 3200 in my machine and you can run TF2 at 1024x768 no sweat.
an x850 is still probably twice as fast, but you can definintely play some games with a hd3200
Hi all and thanks I thought My system was dying but its holding on This is what I would like maybe you can give me tips I want to reuse my 80 gig pata ( eide ) hard drive atx case and brand new 500 watt power supply I want to play Flight sim fs2004 and cod 4 . I would like to have this video card hook up[ to my 26 inch 1080 i tv screen so possibly hdmi I am currently using dvi to hdmi adapter . i need memory, motherboard and cpu for under 250 what do you all think
Current system athlon 64 4000+ asus a8v deluxe x850 moddded to open 12 pipes shows up as ati radeon x850 pe . I am not looking for killer gaming but want a nice step up from socket 939 hoepfully a multi cre amd product .Thanks all ! Vavso
Current system athlon 64 4000+ asus a8v deluxe x850 moddded to open 12 pipes shows up as ati radeon x850 pe . I am not looking for killer gaming but want a nice step up from socket 939 hoepfully a multi cre amd product .Thanks all ! Vavso
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What's the make and model of your 500W PSU? $250 actually gives some decent wiggle room. Do you overclock? If so, I'd grab the following:
Intel E5200 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16819116072 - $70
4GB Corsair RAM - http://www.frys.com/product/5611731 - ~$20 AR (w/ shipping)
Gigabyte EP45-DS3L - http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=MB-45-U3L - ~$75 AR
Gigabyte HD 4850 - http://forums.slickdeals.net/s....php?sduid=0&t=1298361 $100 AR and Promo Code
Altogether it should be ~$265. It's a little higher than you wanted, but it'll really be a kick-ass rig that should handle everything you throw at it for awhile. If you want to save some cash, you can downgrade the card to an HD 4830 or something. That CPU really flies once you overclock it, and I've seen most reports of getting 3.5GHz+ out of it with little effort.
Intel E5200 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16819116072 - $70
4GB Corsair RAM - http://www.frys.com/product/5611731 - ~$20 AR (w/ shipping)
Gigabyte EP45-DS3L - http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?name=MB-45-U3L - ~$75 AR
Gigabyte HD 4850 - http://forums.slickdeals.net/s....php?sduid=0&t=1298361 $100 AR and Promo Code
Altogether it should be ~$265. It's a little higher than you wanted, but it'll really be a kick-ass rig that should handle everything you throw at it for awhile. If you want to save some cash, you can downgrade the card to an HD 4830 or something. That CPU really flies once you overclock it, and I've seen most reports of getting 3.5GHz+ out of it with little effort.
This is a good setup. The E5200 has a huge multiplier, so it's amazingly easy to overclock to 3.0 Ghz witha few seconds in the Bios. It will overclock a lot more, but you probably want to get a new heatsink to go beyond 3.0 Ghz. The retail heatsink on the E5200 is extremely small.
Your X850 is a good card - its what I had before upgrading to my HD4830. If your going to upgrade from it, then the HD4830 (or 9800GT) would be the bare minimum to go to, but a HD4850 for around $100 is a better deal.
If you want to go AMD, then there are good choices as well. The Kuma is great for the price:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...x?Item=N82E16819103300
Edit: Here is a decent motherboard to go with the Kuma:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/...igabyte%20GA-MA770-UD3
cusideabelincoln
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Update 2:
I just re-played the COD4 demo with my X800GT, which is considerably slower than your modded X850 Pro, and it ran much smoother. Framerates were more consistent around 30 and occassionally dipped to 20 (usually only when smoke was on screen) and the highs got up to 50-60. There was also no stuttering. So while you are looking to update your parts, your gaming experience with an HD3200 will be worse than it currently is. But good news: Great performing video cards can be bought for around $50, which should easily play CoD4. I'd say the minimum you should look at is the 9500GT and HD4650, but strongly consider the HD4670 and HD4830.
I just re-played the COD4 demo with my X800GT, which is considerably slower than your modded X850 Pro, and it ran much smoother. Framerates were more consistent around 30 and occassionally dipped to 20 (usually only when smoke was on screen) and the highs got up to 50-60. There was also no stuttering. So while you are looking to update your parts, your gaming experience with an HD3200 will be worse than it currently is. But good news: Great performing video cards can be bought for around $50, which should easily play CoD4. I'd say the minimum you should look at is the 9500GT and HD4650, but strongly consider the HD4670 and HD4830.
AstroManLuca
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The GeForce 9600GT and 9600GSO are decent ones as well, if you find good deals. I found one such deal recently:
http://shop1.frys.com/product/...sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG
9600GSO, 768MB, $90 shipped - $40 mail-in rebate = $50 final price
cusideabelincoln
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^Agreed. Those too are good cards to consider if the price is right. Also the HD3850 and HD3870 are good options in this price range as well.
Qbah
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The HD3200 is a slower version of a HD3450 (40 shaders, lower clocks). The HD3450 is a bit slower than the Radeon 9800Pro (should be comparable at low res). The X850Pro is like 40-50% faster than a 9800Pro. Hence your games will run a lot slower on that IGP.
That Intel list above with a E5200, 4GB RAM and a HD4850 for under 300$ is light years ahead in terms of speed compared to your idea. I'd get that instead
Also a HD4770 should be out soon, it's a tiny bit slower than a HD4850 and MSRP is 99$ - should be lower if there will be any rebates. Very good deal too.
That Intel list above with a E5200, 4GB RAM and a HD4850 for under 300$ is light years ahead in terms of speed compared to your idea. I'd get that instead
Also a HD4770 should be out soon, it's a tiny bit slower than a HD4850 and MSRP is 99$ - should be lower if there will be any rebates. Very good deal too.Don't do this unless you're replacing stock cooling. Temps can get murderous on an integrated graphics chip, and the last thing you need is a dead motherboard.
I think we need more info on what you mean by this. The reality is that you don't need to upgrade to play those games at all, so if we can get your system stable for you, then that's the best option.
So what's going on with it?
cbn
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I'm not sure about this 3200 GPU but I just read some reviews on the 3300 Integrated graphics and I was suprised at how strong it was.
Could someone get "additive" effects with something like 3300 and HD4770? Or does "hybrid X-fire' work like regular X-fire where the slower GPU slows down the speed of any faster GPU added?
Could someone get "additive" effects with something like 3300 and HD4770? Or does "hybrid X-fire' work like regular X-fire where the slower GPU slows down the speed of any faster GPU added?
cusideabelincoln
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^There is no benefit if you combine an 4770 with a 3300. In fact I don't even think ATI allows it, so it won't work.
Well, this is better late than never: I have some benchmarks comparing the performance of the HD3200 to an older system.
The following were ran on different platforms, but I still feel they are useful numbers. The first platform is an Athlon XP-M 2400+ at two different speeds, Radeon X800GT, Windows XP Pro, 2GB RAM and the second is an Athlon X2 at 3.08 GHz, Integrated 780G, Windows Vista Ultimate 32-bit, 4GB RAM.
I'll use this format:
First result/Second result/Third result
First result is the HD3200 paired with the Athlon X2 @ 3.08
Second result is the X800GT paired with the Athlon XP @ 1.75
Third result is the X800GT paired with the Athlon XP @ 2.275
I feel at 1.75 GHz the Athlon XP will be typical of a low end Athlon XP processor. And obviously at 2.275 GHz it will be typical of a high end Athlon XP processor and possibly low end Athlon 64 or Sempron processor. I did this to show CPU scaling. I also tested using two different resolutions to show GPU scaling.
Crysis SP Demo, 1024x768, All low settings
(HD3200 was run in DX10 because the game crashed when I tried DX9 mode)
Avg: 21.28 | 33.02 | 37.86
Min: 15.00 | 20.00 | 23.00
Max: 32.00 | 51.00 | 58.00
Crysis SP Demo, 1280x1024, All low settings
(HD3200 was run in DX10 because the game crashed when I tried DX9 mode)
Avg: 14.08 | 31.87 | 35.06
Min: 10.00 | 20.00 | 23.00
Max: 20.00 | 48.00 | 52.00
Half-Life 2: Lost Coast, 1024x768, All High
45.84 | 48.47 | 56.11
Half-Life 2: Lost Coast, 1280x1024, All High
31.58 | 48.22 | 56.03
Half-Life 2: Lost Coast, 1280x1024, All Low
41.18 | 50.16 | 57.93
Half-Life 2: Lost Coast, 1280x1024, All High, 2xAA/2xAF
20.82 | 47.05 | 45.41
Call of Duty 4 Demo, 1024x768, All Low, Fraps 2 minute run
(Crashed with the HD3200 platform, so I'm providing three values which are all the X800GT paired with the Athlon XP @ 1.75, 2.00, and 2.275 to show CPU scaling. I have also previously provided a subjected experience with the HD3200 and deemed the X800GT more playable.)
Avg: 20.53 | 25.29 | 32.98
Min: 09.00 | 13.00 | 16.33
Max: 46.33 | 52.50 | 70.33
Call of Duty 4 Demo, 1280x1024, All Low, Fraps 2 minute run
(Crashed with the HD3200 platform. The two values are for the X800GT with the Athlon XP at 1.75 and 2.275 GHz. I have also previously provided a subjected experience with the HD3200 and deemed the X800GT more playable, as I experienced microstuttering and low framerates with the HD3200.)
Avg: 19.52 | 31.81
Min: 08.33 | 16.33
Max: 46.00 | 66.00
3DMark06 Proxycon
3.11 | 4.96 | 5.08
3DMark06 Firefly
3.99 | 6.45 | 6.51
Conclusion: The results were more telling than I thought they were going to be. Even the older Athlon XP processor paired with a midrange card 4-5 years old provides a better gaming experience than a dual core processor paired with an integrated graphics chipset. At a low resolution of 1024x768 or lower the new HD3200 is pretty competitive. However, once the resolution is cranked up and/or AA+AF is used, the X800GT swiftly pulls ahead as shown in the Half-Life 2 results. And even though we may not directly compare the Crysis results, since the HD3200 was running in DX10 while the X800GT was running in DX9, it is obvious that a higher resolution killed the HD3200. Going from 1280 to 1024 resulted in a 33% drop in performance for the HD3200 and only a 3% and 7% drop for each X800GT tests.
If I had more time and resources I would love to make all things equal besides hardware platform, but I really can't. I do think this these results backup the claims I was making: Don't expect the faster processor to make up for the lack of GPU power.
Well, this is better late than never: I have some benchmarks comparing the performance of the HD3200 to an older system.
The following were ran on different platforms, but I still feel they are useful numbers. The first platform is an Athlon XP-M 2400+ at two different speeds, Radeon X800GT, Windows XP Pro, 2GB RAM and the second is an Athlon X2 at 3.08 GHz, Integrated 780G, Windows Vista Ultimate 32-bit, 4GB RAM.
I'll use this format:
First result/Second result/Third result
First result is the HD3200 paired with the Athlon X2 @ 3.08
Second result is the X800GT paired with the Athlon XP @ 1.75
Third result is the X800GT paired with the Athlon XP @ 2.275
I feel at 1.75 GHz the Athlon XP will be typical of a low end Athlon XP processor. And obviously at 2.275 GHz it will be typical of a high end Athlon XP processor and possibly low end Athlon 64 or Sempron processor. I did this to show CPU scaling. I also tested using two different resolutions to show GPU scaling.
Crysis SP Demo, 1024x768, All low settings
(HD3200 was run in DX10 because the game crashed when I tried DX9 mode)
Avg: 21.28 | 33.02 | 37.86
Min: 15.00 | 20.00 | 23.00
Max: 32.00 | 51.00 | 58.00
Crysis SP Demo, 1280x1024, All low settings
(HD3200 was run in DX10 because the game crashed when I tried DX9 mode)
Avg: 14.08 | 31.87 | 35.06
Min: 10.00 | 20.00 | 23.00
Max: 20.00 | 48.00 | 52.00
Half-Life 2: Lost Coast, 1024x768, All High
45.84 | 48.47 | 56.11
Half-Life 2: Lost Coast, 1280x1024, All High
31.58 | 48.22 | 56.03
Half-Life 2: Lost Coast, 1280x1024, All Low
41.18 | 50.16 | 57.93
Half-Life 2: Lost Coast, 1280x1024, All High, 2xAA/2xAF
20.82 | 47.05 | 45.41
Call of Duty 4 Demo, 1024x768, All Low, Fraps 2 minute run
(Crashed with the HD3200 platform, so I'm providing three values which are all the X800GT paired with the Athlon XP @ 1.75, 2.00, and 2.275 to show CPU scaling. I have also previously provided a subjected experience with the HD3200 and deemed the X800GT more playable.)
Avg: 20.53 | 25.29 | 32.98
Min: 09.00 | 13.00 | 16.33
Max: 46.33 | 52.50 | 70.33
Call of Duty 4 Demo, 1280x1024, All Low, Fraps 2 minute run
(Crashed with the HD3200 platform. The two values are for the X800GT with the Athlon XP at 1.75 and 2.275 GHz. I have also previously provided a subjected experience with the HD3200 and deemed the X800GT more playable, as I experienced microstuttering and low framerates with the HD3200.)
Avg: 19.52 | 31.81
Min: 08.33 | 16.33
Max: 46.00 | 66.00
3DMark06 Proxycon
3.11 | 4.96 | 5.08
3DMark06 Firefly
3.99 | 6.45 | 6.51
Conclusion: The results were more telling than I thought they were going to be. Even the older Athlon XP processor paired with a midrange card 4-5 years old provides a better gaming experience than a dual core processor paired with an integrated graphics chipset. At a low resolution of 1024x768 or lower the new HD3200 is pretty competitive. However, once the resolution is cranked up and/or AA+AF is used, the X800GT swiftly pulls ahead as shown in the Half-Life 2 results. And even though we may not directly compare the Crysis results, since the HD3200 was running in DX10 while the X800GT was running in DX9, it is obvious that a higher resolution killed the HD3200. Going from 1280 to 1024 resulted in a 33% drop in performance for the HD3200 and only a 3% and 7% drop for each X800GT tests.
If I had more time and resources I would love to make all things equal besides hardware platform, but I really can't. I do think this these results backup the claims I was making: Don't expect the faster processor to make up for the lack of GPU power.
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