Insurance Companies Are Evil

Skotty

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Today, my dislike for insurance companies has flared up again, and I feel like sharing...

1. In the past, I worked for an insurance company for several years as a programmer. I was unhappy working for them because of the ways in which they discriminate and were attempting to further discriminate against people. For example, at the time for this particular company, living in a mobile home would increase your car insurance rate. They discrimiated in every way they possibly could. Some forms of discrimination they only did in certain states, because it was illegal in all the others. Trust me, if it was legal, some of you would be paying higher rates due to your race and religion. All of it has a statistical reasoning behind it, but I can't help but be offended at how little your personal insurance history has to do with your final rates.

2. At the same company mentioned previously, there was a big legal case. In that case, we were asked to destroy any documents over a certain age so that the other company couldn't use those documents against us. It was a legal (as in, not illegal) move. But the reasoning behind it was entirely evil. "So the other company couldn't use those documents against us". Legal battles are about finding the truth, but those words were nearly an admission of guilt.

3. There was a time when I was unemployed and out of money. I let my insurance (State Farm at the time) lapse by about a month and a half because I did not have enough money to pay the premium. When I tried to renew or restart my policy, they would not allow it. I think this is a common practice, again likely statistically motivated, but it still falls under the "evil" category, as it has nothing to do with your insurance history.

4. This one takes the cake. During my unemployment several years back, I had a policy with Millers First Insurance out of Illinois. They cancelled my policy because I was unemployed. Let me say that again. Not because I couldn't pay my policy. Because I was unemployed. This one angered me to no end. I still send them letters every year about it, even though I haven't had a policy with them in years.

Now lets take a look at my own insurance history.

Save for a couple of lapses due to having no money, I've had insurance consistently since I was 16, which is about 16 years of car insurance. In that time, I have had 0 claims. Not a one. I haven't so much as called them to ask a question.

All I want to do is just pay a reasonable premium for the insurance I never need, have my law-required insurance, and be left alone. But apparently even that is asking too much.

They don't care about you. They care only about making as much money as possible through highly discriminatory statistical processes. God forbid any of you end up on the wrong side of their statistical yardstick. Your personal insurance record will only matter if it makes them more money (if you have a bad record).

Today I use Geico. So far, they have had good rates and have otherwise left me alone. I'd recommend checking them out if you are unhappy with your current insurance elsewhere.

Stay safe everyone, and try not to be evil. Feel free to share your own experiences if you like.
 

bobdelt

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They wouldnt have to be evil if people themselves werent evil. Almost everyone is willing to commit insurance fraud.

"So the other company couldn't use those documents against us" - Standard procedure in any industry - all those documents were probably suppose to be shredded already.
 

iamwiz82

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They don't care about you. They care only about making as much money as possible through highly discriminatory statistical processes

Welcome to reality. Businesses are not here to make sure you feel good. They are here to make money.
 

Double Trouble

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Based on your post, I'd say you seem to have some trouble grasping the realities of everyday life and the legal world.

A company exists to make money, not to care about you or how you feel.

Legal battles are about finding the truth
Thank you for that little piece of entertainment, that was LOL funny!
 

MrWizzard

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You have a better way to cover idiots getting DUIs and killing people? How about all the ones those cause huge accidents. Insurance companies have to cover stuff like that, they don't have money presses. Get people to stop crashing into each other and rates will go down.

Yea I know, why should you have to cover other peoples mistakes... well you can thank the socialist movement for that, the whole treat everyone the same no matter what thing really works out great huh.
 

Skotty

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Well excuse me for expecting anyone other than myself to have any sense of honor or integrity.

As for the court case, look up the meaning of "justice" in the dictionary. It was my company that started the case. If you have to destroy all of your documents after starting your case, perhaps your case lacks sufficient merit.

Please don't teach your children that these kinds of things are acceptable and "the way of the world". I'm sure that's how some of the greatest Tyrants in history were raised.
 

Double Trouble

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"Honor and integrity" are very vague notions that each person defines for themselves. Clearly, the world could not function very well if everyone got to make their own definitions and rules. Hence laws are made to specifically spell out what is and is not allowed. Legal battles are about determining whether something or someone complies with the laws as specified, not some vague notion of honor and integrity.

If the company can statistically determine that peope who wear blue hats cause x% more in terms of claims, then there's nothing wrong with them charging people wearing blue hats more, provided there is no law against it. You might be a wonderful driver even though you wear a blue hat, but that is irrelevant.

Honor and integrity are great, and I'd argue that in the long run businesses that treat their customers with honor and integrity will ultimate be the most successful..... but you seem to have some naive view of the world and fail to grasp reality.
 

Ricochet

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They are evil, but unfortunately a necessary evil.

I had one lapse of payment due to their error. At this time I also got into an accident (over $10k worth of damage). Murphy's Law FTL. State Farm initially denied my claim even though it was their fault during what suppose to be a seemless transfer from one site to the other. I had always had it on automatic deduction to make sure my payment is never late. During the transfer, though, automatic deduction was mysteriously not transferred or implemented at the new site. By the time I got the mail forwarding I had a late notice. Sent in the late invoice with the fee. Shortly after, I got into an accident.

After the denial letter, I went back to the original agent indicating that State Farm will potentially lose business from my entire family as well as extended families (cousins, in-laws, and so forth). Her office had served my family for 20+ years so that would impact her immensely, thus she appealed to the claims office on my behalf.

I was lucky. If an insurance company can find any reason to deny your claim it will be denied. They're not in it for loyalty. They're in it for the money. In my case it just happens to be that the potential loss of business outweighed the cost of reinstating my claim.
 

SSSnail

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Insurance companies are the wise guys of the new century. You pay them for "protection", but good luck trying to claim.

These wise guys then would pay off to the big bosses that let them operate under legal pretense, and I heard that their HQ is somewhere in Washington DC.
 

robphelan

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Today I use Geico. So far, they have had good rates and have otherwise left me alone. I'd recommend checking them out if you are unhappy with your current insurance elsewhere.

i've been with geico for years.. my wife had an accident about 2 yrs ago(her fault) and the yahoo in front of her sued for 300k because of back injuries.. it was funny to see geico's atty bring up the scuba diving trip he recently took after the accident.

geico settled for 150k.. our premium didn't go up a penny.
 

child of wonder

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Insurance companies and banks are inherently evil because they take your money, provide no product, and then you have to find a way to get your money back while they do everything they can to keep it.
 

JS80

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Originally posted by: Skotty
Today, my dislike for insurance companies has flared up again, and I feel like sharing...

1. In the past, I worked for an insurance company for several years as a programmer. I was unhappy working for them because of the ways in which they discriminate and were attempting to further discriminate against people. For example, at the time for this particular company, living in a mobile home would increase your car insurance rate. They discrimiated in every way they possibly could. Some forms of discrimination they only did in certain states, because it was illegal in all the others. Trust me, if it was legal, some of you would be paying higher rates due to your race and religion. All of it has a statistical reasoning behind it, but I can't help but be offended at how little your personal insurance history has to do with your final rates.

2. At the same company mentioned previously, there was a big legal case. In that case, we were asked to destroy any documents over a certain age so that the other company couldn't use those documents against us. It was a legal (as in, not illegal) move. But the reasoning behind it was entirely evil. "So the other company couldn't use those documents against us". Legal battles are about finding the truth, but those words were nearly an admission of guilt.

3. There was a time when I was unemployed and out of money. I let my insurance (State Farm at the time) lapse by about a month and a half because I did not have enough money to pay the premium. When I tried to renew or restart my policy, they would not allow it. I think this is a common practice, again likely statistically motivated, but it still falls under the "evil" category, as it has nothing to do with your insurance history.

4. This one takes the cake. During my unemployment several years back, I had a policy with Millers First Insurance out of Illinois. They cancelled my policy because I was unemployed. Let me say that again. Not because I couldn't pay my policy. Because I was unemployed. This one angered me to no end. I still send them letters every year about it, even though I haven't had a policy with them in years.

Now lets take a look at my own insurance history.

Save for a couple of lapses due to having no money, I've had insurance consistently since I was 16, which is about 16 years of car insurance. In that time, I have had 0 claims. Not a one. I haven't so much as called them to ask a question.

All I want to do is just pay a reasonable premium for the insurance I never need, have my law-required insurance, and be left alone. But apparently even that is asking too much.

They don't care about you. They care only about making as much money as possible through highly discriminatory statistical processes. God forbid any of you end up on the wrong side of their statistical yardstick. Your personal insurance record will only matter if it makes them more money (if you have a bad record).

Today I use Geico. So far, they have had good rates and have otherwise left me alone. I'd recommend checking them out if you are unhappy with your current insurance elsewhere.

Stay safe everyone, and try not to be evil. Feel free to share your own experiences if you like.

1. If one group of people tend to be higher risk than another group of people, they shouldn't pay a higher premium?

2. So you want them to keep old documents so they lose in court and your premium goes up?

3. Did you want to renew it retroactively or start a new plan?

4. There are plenty of other insurance companies that would have gladly taken your business.

I don't think you understand the concept of insurance. Insurance is OPTIONAL. Pay a bond and get self-insurance if you think they are so evil :roll:
 

Ktulu

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Originally posted by: child of wonder
Insurance companies and banks are inherently evil because they take your money, provide no product, and then you have to find a way to get your money back while they do everything they can to keep it.

You can't just close out a bank account?