Institutional Indoctrination

[cwjerome]

Well it's good to know supertool toes the statist line with his allies in higher education. If you don't like the unfair, unprofessional, and unethical actions of leftist profs, you can just take another class :roll: (as if it was just that easy).

Not an ounce of shame man. Once again proof that engineers and professors can if fact goosestep to the same march.

 

[illustri]

Originally posted by: cwjerome
Well it's good to know supertool toes the statist line with his allies in higher education. If you don't like the unfair, unprofessional, and unethical actions of leftist profs, you can just take another class :roll: (as if it was just that easy).

Not an ounce of shame man. Once again proof that engineers and professors can if fact goosestep to the same march.

Jeez cwjerome, give it up. Quit making excuses for totally unfounded and biased behaviors from college yourself. You should not try and brainwash every soul that you come across and punish those that don't buy it. That's just so lame.

 

[magomago]

And I would remind this audience over one year after 9/11, at our most prestigious colleges, for example, Harvard and Yale, students are still today prohibited from participating in ROTC in the normal classroom. At Yale, they have to go to the University of Connecticut; at Harvard, they have to go to MIT. And it's inexcusable that students who are willing to defend this country, to prepare themselves to defend our freedoms, are stigmatized, not only by the left on the college campus, which calls them vicious names and treats them very cruelly, but the administration and the faculties as well.

Aren't Yale and Harvard private institutions? If so, then that is their choice. As for biases within courses, those exist on other levels, not just political interpratation. I had a professor for English who didn't like my interpretation (even though I backed it up factually, although i proved some abusurd things b/c its my way of making a bland subject slightly interesting 😉 ) so its not just politics you experience it. The thing i remember is that they are a professor, and no matter how much of a smart ass you wanna sound they know a LOT more than you~ so its best to listen to what they say, and if you disagree shutup and don't beleive it-->but don't be suprised if they are later correct because unlike you, they've been doing that for god knows how many years and studying that stuff forEVER.

 

[Tommunist]

I think the somewhat counter-culture of higher learning is healthy for students to be exposed to - we get hammered with conservative viewpoints the rest of our lives - balance is important. I was quite conservative through many of my younger years and grew to realize (mostly before college) that some of the ideas were reprehensible. I only took a few classes that had topics that fell into the realm of politics in college and I found the profs to not let their bias show through all that much and at the same time were respectful to anyone willing to share their views (particularly since most people slept or didn't show up).

I think this country is too conservative right now and it obviously hasn't been working out too well for us. The state of the nation isn't all that great. This is also partially due to weak democratic leaders who don't really stand for much anymore.

Those who can't "do" teach? I had a lot of profs that worked in industry both my parents are teachers in public school - they both also held other jobs. I had one prof that was SUPER liberal that worked as an actuary for a while (for those of you that don't know that means he's a smart mofo). This guy didn't push his agenda at me but we had some great discussions - even though I would often disagree with him he made me look at things a bit differently. Teachers don't get nearly enough respect - their job is a lot more important than most people think.

 

[Tommunist]

Originally posted by: magomago

And I would remind this audience over one year after 9/11, at our most prestigious colleges, for example, Harvard and Yale, students are still today prohibited from participating in ROTC in the normal classroom. At Yale, they have to go to the University of Connecticut; at Harvard, they have to go to MIT. And it's inexcusable that students who are willing to defend this country, to prepare themselves to defend our freedoms, are stigmatized, not only by the left on the college campus, which calls them vicious names and treats them very cruelly, but the administration and the faculties as well.

Aren't Yale and Harvard private institutions? If so, then that is their choice. As for biases within courses, those exist on other levels, not just political interpratation. I had a professor for English who didn't like my interpretation (even though I backed it up factually, although i proved some abusurd things b/c its my way of making a bland subject slightly interesting 😉 ) so its not just politics you experience it. The thing i remember is that they are a professor, and no matter how much of a smart ass you wanna sound they know a LOT more than you~ so its best to listen to what they say, and if you disagree shutup and don't beleive it-->but don't be suprised if they are later correct because unlike you, they've been doing that for god knows how many years and studying that stuff forEVER.

Makes you wonder why most professors are more progressive doesn't it? 😉

 

[cwjerome]

illustri, congrats your post doesn't even make sense.

Magomago, perhaps your right, us little folk should just shut the hell up and not question their arrogant abuse of power and unprofessional behavior. After all, they're really smart, so they have the right to treat people unfairly. Just shut up and take it.

I'm sorry I even had the nerve to challenge this issue, obviously supertool and magomago have set me straight... one should never -ever- question the authoritarian might of the thought police.

 

[illustri]

Originally posted by: cwjerome
illustri, congrats your post doesn't even make sense.

yea I didn't do well in liberal arts classes either

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Conservative jealosy of liberal academic success. Nothing to see here, move along.

Yup, and only a dolt would say profs. are unnacountable-- if you don't want to learn from them don't go to their schools. Start your own conservative school focused on creationism or on why woodstock sucked. Let's see how prestegious it would be.

I was initially made aware of this when I had to write a term paper on the communist manifesto several years ago in a political science class. I took a quick survey of the class after I thought I was graded rather harsh (IMO, it was a very well written paper) It turned out everyone who concluded Marx was right got at least an A- , everyone who disagreed with him averaged a C+

Your "survey" is highly suspect. You think the papers came down to thinking someone was right or wrong? THAT might be why you didn't do so hot.

 

[SuperTool]

That's a good point, if universities are such liberal brainwashing machines, why are conservatives falling over themselves to send their kids to the Ivys and Stanfords of this world. I don't see any liberals rushing to get into Bob Jones University. 😀

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
That's a good point, if universities are such liberal brainwashing machines, why are conservatives falling over themselves to send their kids to the Ivys and Stanfords of this world. I don't see any liberals rushing to get into Bob Jones University. 😀

Or Bush for that matter. He may pander to the Bob Jones University crowd, but his daughters are going to Yale and UT Austin.

 

[cwjerome]

It's the world we live in and the game we play. Doesn't mean we have to like it (look at all the books and editorials there are concerning the issue of liberal bias in higher education). Just like I'll send my kids to a religious school even though I'm not religious, because they have better discipline and academics than most public schools.

Only a dolt would say they are not unaccountable. I work in education and there is no real accountability, especially after you've made tenure... and it's even worse in higher education. And infohawk, you can start a school focused on why woodstock sucked, but it sounds like a dumb@ss idea, which it seems you're full of. Just my 2 cents...

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Your "survey" is highly suspect. You think the papers came down to thinking someone was right or wrong? THAT might be why you didn't do so hot.

well out of a lecture class of 300 students, and everyone either being for or against Marx's idea (as that was part of the assignment, duh) It was pretty clear cut.

 

[lozina]

More extremist neocon FUD. They whine about liberal media bias, they whine about liberal schools brainwashing the unsuspecting students... yet they're the ones currently in power, and they also like to share articles talking about the decline of liberalism :Q

 

[BarneyFife]

Maybe you guys should take some real courses instead of pansy history/liberal arts crap. Their is no political bias in a math classroom.

 

[halik]

hasn't there always been a correlation between the highest achieved education and voting patterns? Maybe it's a causation of something else, sorta like why all the people living in the boonies/ red areas tend to vote republican

 

[illustri]

Originally posted by: cwjerome
It's the world we live in and the game we play. Doesn't mean we have to like it (look at all the books and editorials there are concerning the issue of liberal bias in higher education). Just like I'll send my kids to a religious school even though I'm not religious, because they have better discipline and academics than most public schools.

Only a dolt would say they are not unaccountable. I work in education and there is no real accountability, especially after you've made tenure... and it's even worse in higher education. And infohawk, you can start a school focused on why woodstock sucked, but it sounds like a dumb@ss idea, which it seems you're full of. Just my 2 cents...

not un-un-accountable? all you have to do issimply not support them, conservatives are supposed to be proponents of the free market method to life: don't take a professor's class, or don't go to a liberal school, its as simple a protest as it is effective as it affects the bottom line -- money

/btw i didn't know you could make tenure lower than higher education

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Maybe you guys should take some real courses instead of pansy history/liberal arts crap. Their is no political bias in a math classroom.

Well when you compare Kerry's figure for cost of Iraq war to Bush's during the campaign, I'd have to say there must be some biased math formulas out there somewhere 😀

 

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
Maybe you guys should take some real courses instead of pansy history/liberal arts crap. Their is no political bias in a math classroom.

There might not be much bias in a math class, but without the pansy classes I'd be posting painfully ignorant statements in areas I know nothing about... much like you do 😉

illustri: technically it's not called tenure in grades 7-12, but it's the same thing. The first 3 years are probationary, which means you can be fired for just about anything. After three years though, you basically have to molest a kid before that person would get fired.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Conservative jealosy of liberal academic success. Nothing to see here, move along.

Shacking up in an academic institution for wasted years is success? Looks like fear of reality to me, like people who are afraid to leave their house.

 

[preslove]

Some articles I dug up regarding campus bias. I was initially made aware of this when I had to write a term paper on the communist manifesto several years ago in a political science class. I took a quick survey of the class after I thought I was graded rather harsh (IMO, it was a very well written paper) It turned out everyone who concluded Marx was right got at least an A- , everyone who disagreed with him averaged a C+. As it turns out, this was not an isolated incident.

You just sound like a sh!tty student trying to prove something. In a poli sci class you break an argument down and first say why it is made, what forces are behind it, how will/did it affect further events. If you just write a paper about how some figure is "wrong" then you're going to get a bad grade. It's not your job to explain why they are wrong, but to explain why they make it. Enjoy your C+

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Conservative jealosy of liberal academic success. Nothing to see here, move along.

Heres a saying...

Those that can, do. Those that cant, teach. Those that cant teach work for the government.

Its also funny, because most liberals think Karl Rove is some sort of evil genius puppet master. Gotta say, not bad for a man that dropped out of six different colleges and never recieved a degree.

Ah yes, because teachers aren't doing anything. If you want to make Carl Rove your hero instead of your teachers, be my guest.
You couldn't teach a brick to sit still, so your criticizm of academia is of no interest to me.

The easiest courses that I ever took were at university level. I couldn't believe how little challenge there was. Bio101 and Business statistics were the only two that I really had to do more than read the references and parrot answers for the test for. Accounting was tough, but that wasn't from difficult theory, but the damned practice sets.

 

[preslove]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Conservative jealosy of liberal academic success. Nothing to see here, move along.

Heres a saying...

Those that can, do. Those that cant, teach. Those that cant teach work for the government.

Its also funny, because most liberals think Karl Rove is some sort of evil genius puppet master. Gotta say, not bad for a man that dropped out of six different colleges and never recieved a degree.

Ah yes, because teachers aren't doing anything. If you want to make Carl Rove your hero instead of your teachers, be my guest.
You couldn't teach a brick to sit still, so your criticizm of academia is of no interest to me.

The easiest courses that I ever took were at university level. I couldn't believe how little challenge there was. Bio101 and Business statistics were the only two that I really had to do more than read the references and parrot answers for the test for. Accounting was tough, but that wasn't from difficult theory, but the damned practice sets.

Where did you go to school? What was your major?

 

[BigJelly]

As a conservative student in madison you can actually use professors political bias to boost your grade:
in my american history class the professor was just a left wing nut well i realized what i needed to study for the final: watergate and Nixon's impeachment, iran contra affair, Nixon and vietnam (not democratic presidents rolls in escaliting the war just nixon), etc.

Well i realized i could write the truth and get a c or write the obvious liberal BS and get an a. Sh!t im a chem major so i took the a.

Its sick that professors act like 5 year olds and get away with it. But you have to expect it. Sadly i cant say i feel bad for you, i would have realized the teacher was either pro/anti commi and follow him/her in my essay to get the better grade.

As someone else said if you have an engineering/science/math major you barely see politics but you must expect politics with pol. sci./history/art classes.

 

[illustri]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Conservative jealosy of liberal academic success. Nothing to see here, move along.

Shacking up in an academic institution for wasted years is success? Looks like fear of reality to me, like people who are afraid to leave their house.

huh? faculty don't live in dorms

I see this same argument of academic settings as somehow separated from "the real world" but that just goes to show the ignorance of those making that claim

professors and staff work at academic institutions which are just as any other, subject to the same politics and conventions

don't forget that education is a business institution drawfing nearly everything else. those who'd think it so different from industry are just kissing ass on the other cheek, your noses just as browned

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: preslove

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Conservative jealosy of liberal academic success. Nothing to see here, move along.

Heres a saying...

Those that can, do. Those that cant, teach. Those that cant teach work for the government.

Its also funny, because most liberals think Karl Rove is some sort of evil genius puppet master. Gotta say, not bad for a man that dropped out of six different colleges and never recieved a degree.

Ah yes, because teachers aren't doing anything. If you want to make Carl Rove your hero instead of your teachers, be my guest.
You couldn't teach a brick to sit still, so your criticizm of academia is of no interest to me.

The easiest courses that I ever took were at university level. I couldn't believe how little challenge there was. Bio101 and Business statistics were the only two that I really had to do more than read the references and parrot answers for the test for. Accounting was tough, but that wasn't from difficult theory, but the damned practice sets.

Where did you go to school? What was your major?

University of Alabama, of course. Had some credits with Uni of Nebraska and some with UK. Business Admin/Banking and Finance. A few (30 hours) Education electives. Strangely, the education courses were the easiest. Probably because I had been teaching computer science for some years in industry before.