Installing a bathroom in the basement w/o rough-ins

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bctbct

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Squirrell, he is talking about where the sewer main leaves the basement of your house not the sewer main.

Many houses have the sewer exiting the house above the basement floor, you have to have a lift pump or macerating toilet in those situations.
 

Red Squirrel

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Squirrell, he is talking about where the sewer main leaves the basement of your house not the sewer main.

Many houses have the sewer exiting the house above the basement floor, you have to have a lift pump or macerating toilet in those situations.

Even then how would that be possible, does the stack elbow right into the wall or something? Seems like it would be very poor engineering to do that, not to mention extra work. Then again I've seen my fair share of shoddy workmanship.
 

bctbct

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Even then how would that be possible, does the stack elbow right into the wall or something? Seems like it would be very poor engineering to do that, not to mention extra work. Then again I've seen my fair share of shoddy workmanship.


Yeah they just elbow through the wall. Probably depends on the main elevation in relationship to the house or how mcuh they feel like digging. :)
 

joetheplumber

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This is often the case with older homes that were converted from septic systems to municipal sewers. Also, many older homes were never intended to have multiple bathrooms so the main drain only needed to be lower than the main floor washroom.
 
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Even then how would that be possible, does the stack elbow right into the wall or something? Seems like it would be very poor engineering to do that, not to mention extra work. Then again I've seen my fair share of shoddy workmanship.


I love how people like to argue reality with those with experience in the industry.

It's not shoddy workmanship, and it's not uncommon. Sewer mains can't always be run deeper than structures due to various reasons (rock, etc.).
 

nakedfrog

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Yeah, this is why I'm just going to pay a professional to do the rough-in and then do the rest myself.
 

Greenman

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So many answers, so many people that don't have a clue.
Drilling concrete is cheap and easy. Even if you rent the equipment it's not to bad. If your basement is below the sewer lateral, you use a waste ejector, it's a simple dependable device that pumps waste up to the sewer. Sometimes getting a vent pipe from the ejector up through the roof can be a challenge, but it's rarely impossible.
I'd recommend you speak to a professional, this is a fine place to ask about what video card to get, not so good for construction advice.
 

iGas

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Yes, it does open you up to considerable sewage backwash should there be a stoppage but thats the price you pay for convenience i guess
Backflow & flooding is possible, but every up drainage system must have a check valve system as requires by plumbing code. Some even have double check valve, other have check valve and manual shutoff.

Most up drainage system lift the waste water well above the flood level before it enter the stack to minimize backflow if every failsafe fails.
 

Paperdoc

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If your main drain pipe (sewer stack) from the upper floors of your house comes down through the basement and through your floor, you probably have a relatively easy job. I DO recommend you get two or three pro plumbing contractors to quote on the job.

We did what you ask about - and had a contractor do the work. The new bathroom (toilet, sink, and corner shower) was located close to the main sewer stack pipe. The contractor simply used a small jackhammer (might get away with a sledgehammer?) to break up the concrete floor in the spots needed for the job, dug out some dirt under there, then tied into the existing main sewer line running under the floor and starting from the main stack vertical pipe. Concrete floors often are NOT super-thick and tough - after all, they only have to support modest floor loadings and are fully supported from underneath by soil. The contractor ran new sewer piping for the three fixtures below floor level in trenches in the ground, thus creating the roughed-in fittings for the three devices. Then he filled and tamped the soil around the new pipes and poured new concrete over that to fill in where he had pounded out the old. The concrete needs to be smooth, of course, but it ends up covered with new flooring so it does not need to look fantastic. Then the rest of the job was typical stud framing, sheetrock, etc., and finally installing the three plumbing fixtures. Running water supply lines to each was easy - just tap into existing lines and drop down to the right locations, through new walls, and connect.