Install WinXP from (NTFS) HD???

coolVariable

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My laptop CD-ROM has been giving me problems reading CDs and now I need to re-install WinXP.
Because i don't want to be stuck with a reading error during the install, I was thinking of copying the installation files to HD and installing from there ...
Is that possible?
I might need to add that all my partitions are formatted with NTFS, so I can't use a DOS Bootdisk to start the installation.
How do I do it?

Does anyone know of an online guide?
 

TheOmegaCode

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You're reinstalling anyways, why can't you just format the ntfs partitions and start from there?
 

Lord Evermore

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Why don't you just buy a new CDROM, since you obviously need to? The reinstall can't be so urgent that you can't wait for a drive.

You can get a boot floppy that has NTFSDOS or an equivalent on it, which allows DOS to read NTFS partitions. I wouldn't recommend formatting the partition as FAT32 just to be able to install from it, since converting to NTFS isn't efficient.
 

coolVariable

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Because a new DVD-ROM is in the neighborhood of ~$300 for my laptop.
No thank you! I am not going to buy a new DVD-drive to replace one that works 95% of the time and only has problems with CD-RWs and stupid MS CDs!
 

calpha

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I've done it before and it's not that hard. But, you'll need two partitions, and they'll need to be FAT32. PLEASE NOTE THAT AGAIN. Both partitions need to be FAT32!!!!
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If you go this route, you'll need a boot floppy to load CD Drivers. You can make one yourself @ http://www.nu2.nu (don't you just have laziness?)

Download the BFD pack, and the other stuff it tells you to, and run bfd cdrom i think it is. I'm assuming it's atapi....so you should not have to add any files. if it's scsi....have fun (but the directions are there for that too)

Actually.....with Bart's new wonderful tool, you can use this disk for both purposes that you need it for (repartitioning and copying from the cd). But you'll want to make sure you get a copy of win98's fdisk and include it on the cd (again, the web site tells you where to put the files).

So, if you've got an existing install of XP, and it takes up the current HD and you don't have a free partition, you're hosed (but not quite ;) )

With an existing install, since you're going to be starting over anyway:

1. Create a boot flopyy to load the cd drivers(see above) and add Fdisk.com, and format.com from a win98 computer to the appropriate directory
2. Add Smartdrv.exe (again, from a win98 machine) to the appropriate directory
3. Add xcopy32.exe and xcopy32.mod from a windows machine to the appropriate directory

PS...appropriate directory is to the location that bart specifies in his directions (you'll understand when you go to his site)

Anyway:
After you've backed up the files you need, just reboot to the disk you created in step one above

Run Fdisk. Create two partitions. Make sure to mark your install to partition as active. The second partition can be primary or logical (in extended partition). THe second partition I think can be about 700Megs.....don't need a lot of space.

Reboot again.

you will now have two partitions on your HD, C; and D: And, hopefully, loaded CD drivers.

Now, you have to format both partitions ( you can use format /u if you want, but it takes long time)

assuming your cd rom loaded to the e:\ place your xp cd rom in the cd tray. find the i386 Directory.

Bart's floopy disk creates a path variable on bootup, so all the files you copied to it are run from the ram drive, and you don't have to change to their directory to run them.......

but now you can run xcopy32 e:\<path to your cd rom i386>\*.* d:\wsour /e

xcopy32 will now ask you if this is a F-File or D Directory (press D)

Let it run.

After all that's said and done with reboot again with the floppy drive

This time, on the boot menu, just do a plain boot (don't load your cd rom drivers)

From the A prompt, type Smartdrv.exe

Now, switch to your D:\ drive and type d:\wsour\i386\winnt

if it says command not found, type :
d:\ <enter>
dir /s winnt.* <enter>
and see where it says it's at
then cd to that dir, and type winnt

this will copy all the files you need (make sure again, that C:\ is primary, and set to active or this won't work right)
It's a M$FT temp install.......to copy all the files you need to your C Drive.

the end of this process will reboot your computer (take the floppy out)...a.nd your setup should now be running off of HD.

PS...if this doesn't work, the most likely culprit is C:\ not being set active.

I've done this exactly a bajillion times and I KNOW it works. I typed the whole driections from memory. PM Me if you have any ?'s

 

calpha

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I've installed frm teh same partition before, and that's the only HD based install I've ever done that'd locked up, so that's why I use two. It does work (unlike doing a win98 install from HD) but it's been unstable in my experience.......
 

Lord Evermore

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Being installed from the hard drive can't possibly affect the stability of the install. The files the OS uses during operation are copied to their own folders, the install folder just sits there on the drive until you install another program or hardware that needs access to the CD data.
 

calpha

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Originally posted by: Lord Evermore
Being installed from the hard drive can't possibly affect the stability of the install. The files the OS uses during operation are copied to their own folders, the install folder just sits there on the drive until you install another program or hardware that needs access to the CD data.

Windows never crashes either.

I didn't say HD, I said partition. The main machine I use as a test machine has win98, winme and winxp sources all on one partition, and 3 primary partitions for the separate OSes. The machine is a bit old (300Mhz), but it's all I need. The only time I've ever had a lockup on that machine during an XP or 2k instal was when I tried running winnt.exe from the same partition as I was installing it to. I didn't care to troubleshoot......so I just copied the sources for w2k & xp to the extended/logical partition and it's not locked up once.

I'm no friggin MCSE, and I didn't claim to be. But the steps I put above work, and that's all that matters to me.
 

Lord Evermore

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You don't need to be an MCSE to know that the files being on one partition or the other wasn't the cause of your problem. And when I said drive, I meant drive letter, i.e., partition.
 

owensdj

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coolVariable, I find it hard to believe your DVD-ROM has a problem reading MS pressed CDs and isn't defective, unless you have something on the surface of the CD. Try cleaning the surface of the CD and also look for any scratches.

If you're having problems reading the Windows XP install CD, how are you even going to copy the install files to the hard drive like you want to do?

Aren't you just trying to trick the people who read this forum into helping you install an illegal copy of XP you downloaded? I don't know this for sure, but it seems like it. :disgust:
 

Wallysaurus

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Perhaps this article will help you. You should be able to copy the installation folders to a second partition, boot from the floppies, and then when asked where the files are, point it to that location.
 

coolVariable

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It's a legal Windows XP Pro CD.
I don't need to illegally copy MS programs because I get them for FREE from MS .... (yes whatever program I need!!!)
Here is what I did: copied my legal WinXP CD onto a CD-R (at a friends PC) and used that CD-R to install it.
Worked absolutely fine.
My DVD-drive read the CD-R without problems.
With the WinXP CD it goes into crazy overdrive, makes loud noises and after hanging at certain files for like 30 minutes i just turn the damn thing off. MS probably used some really cheap contracter to press this CD.