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Hayabusa Rider

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People seem to think racism is as simple as black and white (pun intended). It isn't always so simple.

I was born in the South. We would go back every summer and stay with them. They didn't have much money themselves, and they lived close to some blacks who were miserably poor. I mean sitting on orange crate poor. About the age of six, my grandmother would give me a bag of food to take "to the awesome people down the road" and said to take it and play with the boys there. I did and we had a grand time. This happened a couple times a week, and we all had fun. For me that's what it was all about. Their poverty meant nothing to me. I was a kid who was having fun playing with other boys. I did this for the next several summers and as I got older I clued into things more. I asked my grandfather why he didn't just take the food to them. They certainly needed it. He answered "A man has his pride". He wasn't thinking about him lowering himself, but the pride of that "great person". He knew he would be accepting charity. To have food brought by a visiting child wasn't being degraded. Understand, there was no malice in that word. It was simply the only one he knew to call the other.

Meanwhile in the North, I lived to a woman who absolutely loved JFK. American flags all around. She had magazines that said all the right things about MLK. She told me she considered all Southern whites to be racist trash. Oh not in those words since my mother was born and raised in the south. The point was driven home though. She was the model progressive Northern white. Funny thing about her though. I overheard her saying to another neighbor that she was worried. A black couple (she would never have said great person) was looking at a home for sale, and if one came in more might and there goes the neighborhood. Not only that, I cannot recall a single act of kindness extended to a minority by her and her friends.


Now, who were the better people here? My grandparents who used the wrong words, or the one who spoke well?

My point is that racism isn't so much about how one talks about minorities as much as how they act and believe. Yes words are important. They can and are used as weapons. I don't approve of it. I posted the dread "N" word as the extreme example. Sometimes though it's just a simple statement, without inflammatory language. Sometimes people do have predjudices that are founded on things they themselves don't understand.

Maybe people should be encouraged to talk about what they feel and why and not get beaten over the head when they do. Maybe bring up questions to others and admit feeling certain ways and begin to deal with it in constructive ways rather than feeling that you must never admit to being less than the model citizen or whatever. This applies to all people, not just whites.

There will always people who love to hate, and they get the condemnation they deserve, but people who are otherwise reasonable and have questions or bring up points should be encouraged to discuss it without being bludgeoned. You can't make people feel or think a certain way, but maybe they can do it themselves if encouraged.

Anyway, might be something to consider.

 
Great post OP. I totally agree with what you said. Racism is reflected in what you do, and not the words you use.
 
Originally posted by: KingPhil
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He's asking who is better:

1. A family that calls black people "awesome people" because that's what they've always called them, yet they help the black people out because they're kind at heart.

or

2. A family who is politically correct on the outside, but on the inside wouldn't do anything to help poor black people out. They're more concerned with their image to the outside. These are the kind of people who would criticize people who say that they're "helping awesome people" because the wording is so offensive, yet they would never help black people.
 
Good thread, I think more people need to take time and evaluate their feelings and actions towards others. Its ridiculous that race is even an issue in this day and age.

As far as the above situation goes, obviously actions speaks louder than words. But in our society words do have a strong impact, so its kind of an interesting post to think on.
 
Originally posted by: KingPhil
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LAzy bastard...it took like 2 minutes to read.

OP- I agree. I see a lot of case #2 around where I live. My neighbors were extremely worried when a Mexican family moved in across the street. Turns out that my wife and I have become great friends with that family, and enoy them much more than the current stick-up-the-ass white neighbors.
 
I say the politically incorrect family is the nicer one, because actions speak louder than words. Take away the words and only one of those families is actually doing anything to help the poor people out.

Talk is cheap. Ignore the front, look inside the person.
 
regarding the politically correct family....

does the lack of "acts of kindness" really matter so much? i mean if they made a statement such as "there goes the neighborhood" its so blatantly racist that any act of kindness should be thrown out the window.
 
Originally posted by: MogulMonster
Originally posted by: KingPhil
Too long to read, please provide us with a "shortened" version 🙂

LAzy bastard...it took like 2 minutes to read.

OP- I agree. I see a lot of case #2 around where I live. My neighbors were extremely worried when a Mexican family moved in across the street. Turns out that my wife and I have become great friends with that family, and enoy them much more than the current stick-up-the-ass white neighbors.

Yup, same here. I'd rather have a minority neighbor than an uptight anally repressed white neighbor anyday
 
Originally posted by: xospec1alk
regarding the politically correct family....

does the lack of "acts of kindness" really matter so much? i mean if they made a statement such as "there goes the neighborhood" its so blatantly racist that any act of kindness should be thrown out the window.

The problem is that history and facts are on their side. As racist as it sounds, if you live in an exclusive neighborhood and a black family moves in next door, your property value will drastically decrease.

Nobody will admit to being racist, but the fact that your property value decreases tells you that not as many people will want to buy your house now. It's f'ed up.
 
Originally posted by: Arkitech
Good thread, I think more people need to take time and evaluate their feelings and actions towards others. Its ridiculous that race is even an issue in this day and age.

There will always be people that need to feel superior to others.

 
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: xospec1alk
regarding the politically correct family....

does the lack of "acts of kindness" really matter so much? i mean if they made a statement such as "there goes the neighborhood" its so blatantly racist that any act of kindness should be thrown out the window.

The problem is that history and facts are on their side. As racist as it sounds, if you live in an exclusive neighborhood and a black family moves in next door, your property value will drastically decrease.

Nobody will admit to being racist, but the fact that your property value decreases tells you that not as many people will want to buy your house now. It's f'ed up.

I really don't think this is a big issue anymore. Just like with any race, it's the quality of the people that effects the home values.

My parents have new Mexican neighbors that've made my parents house RISE in value by fixing up their house and keeping the yard nice.



 
The thing about it is that our society is becoming so politically correct that even mentioning race can earn you the label "racist" which pretty much makes you an instant pariah. So we're taught from childhood to just ignore the issue, hoping it will go away, and always wear a fair mask. It's okay to feel however you want as long as you say the right things. We've been selling ourselves out for appearance's sake for quite a while, this is just another iteration of that. When we value words over actions, I see that as kind of the beginning of the end.
 
Another observation, since I've lived in canada (nova scotia has about 3 black people) and the south is that decrying racism is incredibly easy if you're not living in a society where black and white is more of an issue. It's very easy not to be racist when you never come across anybody who's not of the same color.
 
Originally posted by: Wallydraigle
The thing about it is that our society is becoming so politically correct that even mentioning race can earn you the label "racist" which pretty much makes you an instant pariah. So we're taught from childhood to just ignore the issue, hoping it will go away, and always wear a fair mask. It's okay to feel however you want as long as you say the right things. We've been selling ourselves out for appearance's sake for quite a while, this is just another iteration of that. When we value words over actions, I see that as kind of the beginning of the end.

Did you see that Onion article?

Anti-racism Legislation gives rise to new breed of a Super-Racism
 
I was raised like this on the subject (bear in mind this was not spoken, just implied)

White people you meet = Trust them until they give you a reason not to.

Black people you meet = Don't trust the until they gie you a reason to.

I don't veiw it that way now (don't know that I ever did), but it is a small part of who I am.

Life has taught me one thing contrary to that though, trust noone until they give you a reason to.
 
I never ran across a real racist until I was about nine or ten-and it was my own grandmother. She was a southerner (VA or West VA, can't remember) but my sister, myself, and my grandmother were sitting in the car in a parking lot waiting for my dad to buy something. She saw a black person walking towards the store, then proceeded to spew forth the most vitriolic racist crap I'd ever heard, and hasn't much been rivalled since then. It was a completely foreign concept to me and my sister, and here it was coming from a relative. We just kinda looked at each other with an expression of shock.
I think she's one of those southerners that helps perpetuate the negative stereotype. But at least it didn't go as far as my dad filling us up with that same pointless hate.
 
Good post. I definitely agree that there is a lot of hypocrasy in people. People are bigots for all kinds of reasons from race to religion to fat to almost anything. Race has just been singled out because of the problems it has caused in recent history.

I do think that people should be given the opportunity to express what they feel and get constructive input back...that is kind of the ultimate goal of a public forum IMHO.
 
good read OP, thx.

racism is as out there as ever today. just that not all of it is as outspoken as before.
sux
 
Originally posted by: KingPhil
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Ditto. I'm more "lazy" than "racist" so my desire to read at length about racism is limited.
 
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: KingPhil
Too long to read, please provide us with a "shortened" version 🙂


He's asking who is better:

1. A family that calls black people "awesome people" because that's what they've always called them, yet they help the black people out because they're kind at heart.

or

2. A family who is politically correct on the outside, but on the inside wouldn't do anything to help poor black people out. They're more concerned with their image to the outside. These are the kind of people who would criticize people who say that they're "helping awesome people" because the wording is so offensive, yet they would never help black people.
The thing I will never get is, why is #1 (the N word) so offensive when every song played on MTV has blacks calling themselves that. I'm a fan of hiphop and prefer not to listen to artists who degrade themselves with that word, but it still amazes me that the word is still thrown around given its history. And the sad part is, more and more youth are using the word as the popularity of "gangsta rap" escalates.

 
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