Insight into what our conservative friends are thinking...

[Brie]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I liked this part:

"Although they concluded that conservatives are less "integratively complex" than others are, Glaser said, "it doesn't mean that they're simple-minded."

Naturally it doesn't mean that they're not either.
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I have, of course been saying this same thing for years. You don't need research to see it. All you have to do is analyze your own more conservative motivations. Unfortunately though, I guess, the capacity to dispassionately dissect one?s self mercilessly and without compromise is not a universal instinct. Too bad too because it leads to the destruction of everything you ever thought was true.

That brings us to a deeper level, I think, than what our Berkeley friends know. The essence of liberal and conservative have to do with the tolerance level people have for feeling how bad they feel. The greater the level of denial the less intuitive feel, the greater the rigidity, the need for certainty, the fear of fear and on and on and on. A liberal is a person who has suffered emotionally so deeply he can feel what others feel. The ability to face and deal with pain makes for a sympathetic soul. A liberal is he who strives to lessen pain. The Cowboy, the emotionally cut of type, is an opposite syndrome and a typically conservative thing. He sees black and white and himself as white because he cannot feel pain. He is in a state of denial and rejection of his inner self. It's what makes conservatives less human and lame. They lack inner dimension.

I agree with you to an extent although I resent the fact that you label conservatives as less caring/feeling than liberals. There is a lack of resources that exists in the world. Given this, it is impossible to give sufficient resources to all who need. While I may not care about the HS dropout who failed take advantage of his free education, I would much rather give his welfare to someone who might need it more. What I am trying to say is that the United States is too big to effectively distribute resources to all who need. I feel that this should be done at the state and local level which I feel is much more efficient. Isn?t this conservative statement also a strong showing of feeling and emotion?

Another thing to think about:
I have been in support of the Iraq war, in addition to all other US efforts to spread democracy. I want everyone in the world to share in my opportunities in the US. So when liberals protest the Iraqi war...aren?t they forgetting all of the Iraqis who now have their freedom?!? Where is the emotion for the Iraqis when they argue the nonexistent WMD??

 

[jjones]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: jjones

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
OOOOPs JJ I meant the Stockholm Syndrome and of course my post looked like proving your point. Mine isn't visible to you. It's blocked by fear of pain.

Fear of pain?!? Bring it on!!!

You want pain, feel what you really feel.

Been there, done that. You're going to have to do better. Bring it on!!!

 

[Moonbeam]

I agree with you to an extent although I resent the fact that you label conservatives as less caring/feeling than liberals. (They are not mutually exclusive nor is this universal. Conservatives are supposed to conserve what is good. To the extent that what they do conserve is good there is no problem.) There is a lack of resources that exists in the world. (In fact perhaps, there are plenty of resources but they are being sucked up in useless pursuits, like war) Given this(I don't give this. Given this(I don't give this. It's the problem), it is impossible to give sufficient resources to all who need. While I may not care about the HS dropout who failed take advantage of his free education, I would much rather give his welfare to someone who might need it more. (You reduce life to a struggle over a shrinking pie whereas I want to grow the pie) What I am trying to say is that the United States is too big to effectively distribute resources to all who need. (This is a dangerous assumption that must not be tolerated to take root. It is a defeatist position) I feel that this should be done at the state and local level which I feel is much more efficient. (You ant to use the system as is to it's best advantage. OK, but I want to change the system) Isn?t this conservative statement also a strong showing of feeling and emotion? (Yes, but it lacks vision)

Another thing to think about:
I have been in support of the Iraq war, in addition to all other US efforts to spread democracy. (Spreading it through war is the height of anti-democratic) I want everyone in the world to share in my opportunities in the US. (I look for much better than that) So when liberals protest the Iraqi war...aren?t they forgetting all of the Iraqis who now have their freedom?!? (You mean possibly one day may have freedom?) Where is the emotion for the Iraqis when they argue the nonexistent WMD?? (Lying in the fields of the dead)
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Where have all the flowers gone, gone to grave yards every one....
You joined after all the arguments about alternatives to war that I posted in. I felt there were better ways to secure the Iraqis their freedom than war. Now we will never know.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: jjones

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: jjones

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
OOOOPs JJ I meant the Stockholm Syndrome and of course my post looked like proving your point. Mine isn't visible to you. It's blocked by fear of pain.

Fear of pain?!? Bring it on!!!

You want pain, feel what you really feel.

Been there, done that. You're going to have to do better. Bring it on!!!

Go deeper!

 

[TaylorD]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Bowfinger Great article, Zebo - fascinating read. Thanks for posting it. It's a shame all you wonderful conservatives couldn't find something useful to contribute instead of your predictable, spiteful attacks (with maybe one or two exceptions). You are a shameful bunch, incapable of considering anything that even hints you may have areas for improvement. On a postive note, you did a great job of demonstrating the article's first two points: agression and dogmatism.

And you Liberals prove the same thing every day here in this Forum. Yo guys are as pathetic as the Utlra Conservatives... out on the Lunatic Fringe with no idea how the majority of Americans feel!

Blah, blah, blah. Do you have anything to back this up, or is it just more noise, blind knee-jerk bashing of everyone and everything you disagree with?

Well, if you're a staunch liberal, or conservative, you don't really know how the majority of Americans feel, because they are somewhere in the middle

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: jjones

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: jjones

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
OOOOPs JJ I meant the Stockholm Syndrome and of course my post looked like proving your point. Mine isn't visible to you. It's blocked by fear of pain.

Fear of pain?!? Bring it on!!!

You want pain, feel what you really feel.

Been there, done that. You're going to have to do better. Bring it on!!!

Go deeper!

Do you want everyone to feel your hell? Just because you are messed up doesn't mean that everyone else is wrong or not "understanding". In the now locked FI thread you said that I was free or not to change. Why would I change? I've been on your end, I've "entered my mind" I looked around and realized that I alone or with human help couldn't "fix" or understand things. But I have accepted my faults and failings and have put my life in the hands of the one who can heal all.
Hence I am here. There is no need for many of us to look inward as you say. I look upward and forward in faith. You need to realize that people can't solve all their problems and need to rely on things you seem to not want to understand.

If only you knew moony, if only you knew.

CkG

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Great article, Zebo - fascinating read. Thanks for posting it.

It's a shame all you wonderful conservatives couldn't find something useful to contribute instead of your predictable, spiteful attacks (with maybe one or two exceptions). You are a shameful bunch, incapable of considering anything that even hints you may have areas for improvement. On a postive note, you did a great job of demonstrating the article's first two points: agression and dogmatism.

And you Liberals prove the same thing every day here in this Forum. Yo guys are as pathetic as the Utlra Conservatives... out on the Lunatic Fringe with no idea how the majority of Americans feel!

Blah, blah, blah. Do you have anything to back this up, or is it just more noise, blind knee-jerk bashing of everyone and everything you disagree with?

The proof is in the pudding. All you have to do is read the threads on this forum to see what I am talking about!

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: jjones

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: jjones

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
OOOOPs JJ I meant the Stockholm Syndrome and of course my post looked like proving your point. Mine isn't visible to you. It's blocked by fear of pain.

Fear of pain?!? Bring it on!!!

You want pain, feel what you really feel.

Been there, done that. You're going to have to do better. Bring it on!!!

Go deeper!

Do you want everyone to feel your hell? Just because you are messed up doesn't mean that everyone else is wrong or not "understanding". In the now locked FI thread you said that I was free or not to change. Why would I change? I've been on your end, I've "entered my mind" I looked around and realized that I alone or with human help couldn't "fix" or understand things. But I have accepted my faults and failings and have put my life in the hands of the one who can heal all.
Hence I am here. There is no need for many of us to look inward as you say. I look upward and forward in faith. You need to realize that people can't solve all their problems and need to rely on things you seem to not want to understand.

If only you knew moony, if only you knew.

CkG

Well what you're talking about there, Caddy, is Christianity, one of the genuine ways. I got no problem with that. I emphasize though, it's one of the ways, not the only way. As long as you can accept that we got no beef at all. To loose your life in His name is not really that different than to die in pain. Someplace Jesus says, "Did you but suffer you would not suffer." We are talking about the surrender of the commanding ego, the false self, to a deeper truth. For you it's has the word Christ attached to it, for me it's the true self. I think in Thomas you'll find that the early church cut out a deeper and very frightening truth. God and man are one and the same. Your job isn't to know Christ, it's to become him, to understand the He and you are one. It's up to you to find this out. One way is straight through pain. My personal hell isn't personal, its universal. It's separation from God. If you're ain't him you're in hell. Sorry.

 

[Gnurb]

moonbeam, why would you ever want to forget everything you thought was true?

 

[Moonbeam]

Forget isn't the word, I don't think. 'Let go of' is what I mean if I read your question right. The answer is simple, I wanted to prove what I knew was true. I found out it was all a lie. Nothing can be proved. There is only the cold benign indifference of the universe and then........ Well then something different can occur. The pain, the black empty hopeless realization that all your dreams, all your illusions, everything you'd been taught, all the hope, all the good news, all the passionate seeking of the Good, when you realize it's all a lie it reduces you to ash. There is nothing left, no single place to put your foot, not one tile overhead, when you are stripped clean of everything you dreamed you would become, you're left with only what you are. When you realize your total nothingness you come into being as what is left. When you are nothing all that's left is everything. The question then is what is the true self? The true self is the ecstasy of being, the heart alive with wings.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: jjones

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: jjones

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
OOOOPs JJ I meant the Stockholm Syndrome and of course my post looked like proving your point. Mine isn't visible to you. It's blocked by fear of pain.

Fear of pain?!? Bring it on!!!

You want pain, feel what you really feel.

Been there, done that. You're going to have to do better. Bring it on!!!

Go deeper!

Do you want everyone to feel your hell? Just because you are messed up doesn't mean that everyone else is wrong or not "understanding". In the now locked FI thread you said that I was free or not to change. Why would I change? I've been on your end, I've "entered my mind" I looked around and realized that I alone or with human help couldn't "fix" or understand things. But I have accepted my faults and failings and have put my life in the hands of the one who can heal all.
Hence I am here. There is no need for many of us to look inward as you say. I look upward and forward in faith. You need to realize that people can't solve all their problems and need to rely on things you seem to not want to understand.

If only you knew moony, if only you knew.

CkG

Well what you're talking about there, Caddy, is Christianity, one of the genuine ways. I got no problem with that. I emphasize though, it's one of the ways, not the only way. As long as you can accept that we got no beef at all. To loose your life in His name is not really that different than to die in pain. Someplace Jesus says, "Did you but suffer you would not suffer." We are talking about the surrender of the commanding ego, the false self, to a deeper truth. For you it's has the word Christ attached to it, for me it's the true self. I think in Thomas you'll find that the early church cut out a deeper and very frightening truth. God and man are one and the same. Your job isn't to know Christ, it's to become him, to understand the He and you are one. It's up to you to find this out. One way is straight through pain. My personal hell isn't personal, its universal. It's separation from God. If you're ain't him you're in hell. Sorry.

If you aren't with us you are against us. Hmmmm

I got more to say but no time to say it right now.

CkG

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Forget isn't the word, I don't think. 'Let go of' is what I mean if I read your question right. The answer is simple, I wanted to prove what I knew was true. I found out it was all a lie. Nothing can be proved. There is only the cold benign indifference of the universe and then........ Well then something different can occur. The pain, the black empty hopeless realization that all your dreams, all your illusions, everything you'd been taught, all the hope, all the good news, all the passionate seeking of the Good, when you realize it's all a lie it reduces you to ash. There is nothing left, no single place to put your foot, not one tile overhead, when you are stripped clean of everything you dreamed you would become, you're left with only what you are. When you realize your total nothingness you come into being as what is left. When you are nothing all that's left is everything. The question then is what is the true self? The true self is the ecstasy of being, the heart alive with wings.

I'm sorry someone/something destroyed you. It is truely sad that you actualy look at yourself and others this way(unless you really don't believe what you posted). I'm sorry you didn't have the support to break out of your self-loathing and I'm sorry that you have resigned yourself to a lifetime of discontent. There is still hope for you though as you have yet to pass on. I truely hope you run across someone during the rest of you life journey who can help you restore you faith in mankind so you can learn to trust again. I only hope that man(woman) is strong enough in charactor to weather the storm. Don't quit looking moony, and don't shy from help either. You are not the first and I'm sure you aren't the last person to think this way, I just hope you aren't a lost cause, because that truely would be sad.

Sometimes the darkest hours come just before the break of light.

CkG

 

[Moonbeam]

Thank you, Caddy.