For people that dont NEED Apple, and are curious as to the comparison of performance between two systems?
For people that dont NEED Apple, and are curious as to the comparison of performance between two systems?
Originally posted by: SLCentral
Originally posted by: OdiN
Originally posted by: SLCentral
Except that Apple has discontinued their 7800GT card.
Regarding your dual-cord arguement, look at the scores. A Dual processor 2.7GHz Apple pretty much almost ties the Dual Core Athlon 2.2GHz, albeit losing a few points. Wheres the bias?
Except that they tested using a 7800GT in their benchmarks
Eek...my mistake. However, Barefeats is a private website that doesn't have every available resource. LEts face it, GPU's aren't cheap, and they can't have all of them. They're doing their best to accurately test, and we all know that an x86 processor will whip the G5 at gaming. It's a fact. When you take into account that most games only see one core, that makes it even worse for Apple. No one is arguing that.
Still their testing methodology is not the greatest.
Originally posted by: OdiN
Originally posted by: SLCentral
Originally posted by: OdiN
Originally posted by: SLCentral
Except that Apple has discontinued their 7800GT card
Regarding your dual-cord arguement, look at the scores. A Dual processor 2.7GHz Apple pretty much almost ties the Dual Core Athlon 2.2GHz, albeit losing a few points. Wheres the bias?
Except that they tested using a 7800GT in their benchmarks
Eek...my mistake. However, Barefeats is a private website that doesn't have every available resource. LEts face it, GPU's aren't cheap, and they can't have all of them. They're doing their best to accurately test, and we all know that an x86 processor will whip the G5 at gaming. It's a fact. When you take into account that most games only see one core, that makes it even worse for Apple. No one is arguing that.
Still their testing methodology is not the greatest.
Lets do the math. Obviously, a quad-core will not have 2x the performance of a dual-core. We all know that. But lets say take the Dual-Processor 2.5GHz and times the score by two (for Cinebench). That gives it 1314. Then take the DC 2.2Ghz Athlon in 64-bit mode, which gives it 1514. Clearly, the AMD processor has the lead. I'm not saying it doesn't. I'm saying that for many people, that slight advantage MAY not be as important as the operating system. OS X does have value.
Meh...nobody has convinced me that OS X is any better than WinXP. I've seen Apple's OSes crash a lot more than any OS on my computers. Even Win98.
Systems. I've worked with a bunch of them in graphics design departments at a couple of schools. I've been stuck using them in High School as well.
AFAIK, matlab is single threaded so your coworker is better off with a fast single-core CPU (or dual core if he likes to multi-task a lot).
Not sure what was going on then. I've owned about a dozen Macs in the past three years and none of them have had any problems, as well as any Mac that I've ever used.
Ditto. I've owned too many and none ever exhibited problems of any kind. They always ran smooth and by the numbers.
jdogg707
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Macs do crash, but I promise you they crash a lot less than XP PC's.
Some people are know it all Mac haters who will not be convinced of anything. I personally would rather have an open mind and except that both systems have their advanatages and disadvantages. To this point, Macvs are better suited for some things while XP machines are better suited to others. I am looking forward to the switch to Intel chips as this will help bridge that difference.
Some people are know it all Mac haters who will not be convinced of anything. I personally would rather have an open mind and except that both systems have their advanatages and disadvantages. To this point, Macvs are better suited for some things while XP machines are better suited to others. I am looking forward to the switch to Intel chips as this will help bridge that difference.
Sorry, I completely forgot to reply to this.
You cannot assume they altered things with AfterEffects and Photoshop and say they are biased. With that mindset, you can say any review is biased. Hell, according to that, all of AT's reviews are biased, becasue, well, theres a CHANCE they changed settings.
Games, I agree with you. Then again, everyone knows Macs aren't a gaming platform. They have tested in the past with multiple resolutions in games, but apparently they have not (yet) done so here.
Regarding quad vs. dual, Quad Macs are significantly more available then quad PC's are, as very few places SELL Quad PC's. Also keep in mind that this is their first testing of Quad's vs. PC's, and they said this is what they have SO FAR.
[/quote]Originally posted by: SLCentral
Originally posted by: OdiN
Originally posted by: SLCentral
Originally posted by: OdiN
Originally posted by: SLCentral
Except that Apple has discontinued their 7800GT card
Regarding your dual-cord arguement, look at the scores. A Dual processor 2.7GHz Apple pretty much almost ties the Dual Core Athlon 2.2GHz, albeit losing a few points. Wheres the bias?
Except that they tested using a 7800GT in their benchmarks
Eek...my mistake. However, Barefeats is a private website that doesn't have every available resource. LEts face it, GPU's aren't cheap, and they can't have all of them. They're doing their best to accurately test, and we all know that an x86 processor will whip the G5 at gaming. It's a fact. When you take into account that most games only see one core, that makes it even worse for Apple. No one is arguing that.
Still their testing methodology is not the greatest.
Lets do the math. Obviously, a quad-core will not have 2x the performance of a dual-core. We all know that. But lets say take the Dual-Processor 2.5GHz and times the score by two (for Cinebench). That gives it 1314. Then take the DC 2.2Ghz Athlon in 64-bit mode, which gives it 1514. Clearly, the AMD processor has the lead. I'm not saying it doesn't. I'm saying that for many people, that slight advantage MAY not be as important as the operating system. OS X does have value.
I'll go ahead and continue the quote string
The point I'm making is that they've tested the games in a biased manner, basically making the macs look not as bad as they should, and really dont provide the data to tell if the other benchmarks have been performed correctly or not.
I'm a scientist, when you test something or are trying to prove something you write down exactly how you tested and the various settings etc so that someone else can test under the same conditions and see if they get the same results and draw the same conclusions. That's how these things work. If data is not present it can be assumed to be default, however with the obvious choice of screen resolution in the game benchmarks, it is quite possible they are trying to hide something. It really does call their methodology in to question.
Think about it like this, with their photoshop and AE benchmarks, they don't tell you, or show you what image they are manipulating, you assume they are the same image of course but that's not stated, I would be surprised if they did have different images, so I'm not accusing them of cheating on that account. However you have no idea of the filters they used, for all you know they could have quite easily found a filter on the internet which has been heavily optimised for the G5 and used that, even if they were to say they tested 20 filters, they could still have cherry picked the filters to give the best results, and I do believe some of this has been going on.
Oh not to mention that I've seen benchmarks that completly reverse the tables, and they also come from sites that aren't quite so biased. Have a look on Anandtech, they did some quite interesting server benchmarks against the iserve or whatever it's called, quite ammusing.
I'm not sure about the testing methodology done by Barefeats, so theres no point in arguing about it. Regarding the benchmarks done by AT on the xSever, AT acknowledged the miserable performance was because OS X was not optimized for MySQL, not because of the actual hardware. That has nothing to do with a consumer enviornment, though.
Zebo
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Pretty sweet...would like to hear it in action.. rads look small which means loud 80s..but those are just like swiftech pumps I got.
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SLCentral I really can not explain it any other way, so while you might not get it, I hope the others on here do, and hence take the benchmarks with a rather large grain of salt.
I completely understand what you are saying, I'm just saying you can't assume without confirming.
Here is a guide to his testing methodology that he used a couple years back. I doubt its the same, but it gives a good idea as to how he tests. I'm sure if you (or I) sent him an e-mail, he'd be glad to explain his testing methods.
Barefeats is not a biased site. Just take a look at a lot of the mac vs PC benchmarks. There are lots of tests that show the G5 getting it's ass handed to in some tests. A lot of the tests do show that one is better than the other though. The G5 is better at one thing, while the PC is better at the other.
I emailed Rob Art, barefeats site owner, a few months back regarding the Pentium D system he tested against the Dual processor G5. I got a reply within 30 minutes. Reason I emailed him is because he didn't have the full specs posted. He emailed me the specs, then corrected the web page by adding the full specs to it.
I emailed Rob Art, barefeats site owner, a few months back regarding the Pentium D system he tested against the Dual processor G5. I got a reply within 30 minutes. Reason I emailed him is because he didn't have the full specs posted. He emailed me the specs, then corrected the web page by adding the full specs to it.
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