Innocent or guilty

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: fallout man
It's not sarcasm. That school is very attuned to trying to become as diverse as possible; and really, the campus is very welcoming to just about everyone without regard for their personal views. In all seriousness, I'm willing to call shens on the accusations purely because this woman is a Brandeis grad-school alum.

How do I know? IT IS A MYSTERY and a VERY SPECIAL SECRET!

Sorry, but going to a particular school is not a guarantee of sweetness and wholesomeness and I find that sort of reasoning particularly weak. Not to mention that we are constantly reminded that terrorists are often highly educated people and not just poor, angry slobs. In fact, quite a few went to western schools prior to becoming radicals.

Good thing that you'll never be suspect.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: fallout man

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: fallout man
It's not sarcasm. That school is very attuned to trying to become as diverse as possible; and really, the campus is very welcoming to just about everyone without regard for their personal views. In all seriousness, I'm willing to call shens on the accusations purely because this woman is a Brandeis grad-school alum.

How do I know? IT IS A MYSTERY and a VERY SPECIAL SECRET!

Sorry, but going to a particular school is not a guarantee of sweetness and wholesomeness and I find that sort of reasoning particularly weak. Not to mention that we are constantly reminded that terrorists are often highly educated people and not just poor, angry slobs. In fact, quite a few went to western schools prior to becoming radicals.

Good thing that you'll never be suspect.

I go out of my way to ensure I'm not found wondering around Afghanistan with detailed chemical-biological radiological weapon information in my pocket. What can I say? I'm pro-active about avoiding that sort of thing because it's such a common mistake that people get apprehended for.

 

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: fallout man

Good thing that you'll never be suspect.

I go out of my way to ensure I'm not found wondering around Afghanistan with detailed chemical-biological radiological weapon information in my pocket. What can I say? I'm pro-active about avoiding that sort of thing because it's such a common mistake that people get apprehended for.

If you are allegedly found to have done so, I'm going to so totally back your right to be innocent until proven guilty.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: fallout man

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: fallout man

Good thing that you'll never be suspect.

I go out of my way to ensure I'm not found wondering around Afghanistan with detailed chemical-biological radiological weapon information in my pocket. What can I say? I'm pro-active about avoiding that sort of thing because it's such a common mistake that people get apprehended for.

If you are allegedly found to have done so, I'm going to so totally back your right to be innocent until proven guilty.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Good on you. Just ignore that whole plan to kill Carter and Bush 41 too, while you're at it. It was pure folly and youthfull exuberance on my part. I didn't really mean it, ya know?

 

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: fallout man

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: fallout man

Good thing that you'll never be suspect.

I go out of my way to ensure I'm not found wondering around Afghanistan with detailed chemical-biological radiological weapon information in my pocket. What can I say? I'm pro-active about avoiding that sort of thing because it's such a common mistake that people get apprehended for.

If you are allegedly found to have done so, I'm going to so totally back your right to be innocent until proven guilty.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Good on you. Just ignore that whole plan to kill Carter and Bush 41 too, while you're at it. It was pure folly and youthfull exuberance on my part. I didn't really mean it, ya know?

LOL. Like you'd miss Carter.

 

[Czar]

Does anyone, anyone at all in this world carry emails on a usb stick?

 

[vhx]

Honestly I am not sure what to believe at this point. Suspicious that she overpowered 4 agents in custody (handcuffs probably?), and had to be put down.

I laughed at the whole story of "We found bomb schematics, chemicals, pictures of US landmarks." Who honestly would have all that conveniently placed information all on them? Come on. I mean that's not to say idiots who leave their wallets behind at crime scenes and return for them don't exist. She seemed fairly educated.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: maverick44

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: maverick44
5) By being a neuroscientist doesnot make you dangerous.

Yes, apparently it can:

was carrying detailed chemical-biological radiological weapon information when she was arrested in Afghanistan.

-snip-

Fern

Fern,

She has a degree in cognitive neuroscience... ie how the brain recognizes certain images...

Regardless of whether you believe whether or not the charges are true... her education never qualified her to be a terrorist... not to say that institutions like MIT or bandeis prepare you on how to make a bomb

I don't know if the charges are true (more on this below)

I don't know much about neuroscience, so I looked into it before posting yesterday. I saw where that area of science has been weaponized - neurotoxins etc. So the "detailed chemical - biological weapon" statement seemed in the realm of possibility given her educational background.

In general, I don't see any good reason to exclude someone as a terrorist based on their educational background, and certainly not here in this specific situation either. The whole myth that terrorists are uneducated poor people has been debunked; hence her (high) education and wealthy background do not exclude her either. Neither do they count as evidence against her IMO.

The initial *flavor* of this story seems to be along the common theme of GWB's zeal in antiterrorism has led to violations of human rights and confinement of innocent people etc.

But RightisWrong's observation is interesting IMO and not given adequate notice.

These people were on the FBI's radar screen before 9-11 happened, and GWB had only been in office a few months.

So, they were scrutinized before the Patriot Act, before any amendments to FISA, before any 911 Commission recommendations were implemented, and before GWB made any appointments to either the FBI or CIA.

So, they came of notice and were (likely) investigated under the Clinton Admin machinery.

That leads me to think either:

That things (gathering of info about night vision goggle purchases etc) were done under court order etc. and are likely legitimate, or

The kinds of stuff the GWB admin are blamed for already existed under prior administrations, the primary difference being laws passed in attempts to make such practices legal and resulting in publicity for them. I.e., before GWB they were done, but it was kept secret.

I'm inclined to go with the former here.

I'm also a bit surprised there was apparently a more active anti-terrorist program in the US prior to 9-11 than is generally acknowledged.

In light of the above I cannot at this time jump to the conclusion that this woman is a totally innocent person whisked away and kept in a secret prison etc. The timeline just doesn't fit as her lawyers explain it. Perhaps were this done after, say, 2004, it might be more believable. But this is all said to start well before the changes in law/policy and the Iraq War and ramp up of the WOT.

It's just a very weird story and I'll leave it at that until I hear more (accurate) factual details about the case.

Fern

 

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: vhx
Honestly I am not sure what to believe at this point. Suspicious that she overpowered 4 agents in custody (handcuffs probably?), and had to be put down.

I'm sure that she just broke those cuffs.

I laughed at the whole story of "We found bomb schematics, chemicals, pictures of US landmarks." Who honestly would have all that conveniently placed information all on them? Come on. I mean that's not to say idiots who leave their wallets behind at crime scenes and return for them don't exist. She seemed fairly educated.

Agents familiar with the investigation also believe she wore white after Labor Day. Authorities are waiting on pending legislation barring such terrorist activity before they press charges.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Moral of the story:

Being born Arabic + buying night vision goggles + Buying armor + Military manuals = Terrorist

Wonder how it works for "normal" Americans...

You know if it was some white guy from Arkansas getting questioned for the same stuff the local righties would be pitching a fit about "big government".

Come on folks, let's have an honest poll of the P&N gun nuts. How many of you have night vision goggles, body armor and/or military manuals? If you don't, I bet there is a large population of your fellow NRA gomers who do..

 

[maverick44]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Moral of the story:

Being born Arabic + buying night vision goggles + Buying armor + Military manuals = Terrorist

Wonder how it works for "normal" Americans...

You know if it was some white guy from Arkansas getting questioned for the same stuff the local righties would be pitching a fit about "big government".

Come on folks, let's have an honest poll of the P&N gun nuts. How many of you have night vision goggles, body armor and/or military manuals? If you don't, I bet there is a large population of your fellow NRA gomers who do..

It aint about the guns or night vision goggles.....

The more serious charge is that she is a bioterrorist......

They haven't brought the main charges upfront instead accusing her of shooting US army officers... a story that is extremely unlikely


She has to be the most ambitious shrink ever

 

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: maverick44

The more serious charge is that she is a bioterrorist......

Anyone who uses anti-bacterial soap is a bioterrorist.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
-snip-

Come on folks, let's have an honest poll of the P&N gun nuts. How many of you have night vision goggles, body armor and/or military manuals? If you don't, I bet there is a large population of your fellow NRA gomers who do..

I have a large number of guns, but I have no night vision goggles, body armor or military manuals. I personally don't know of anyone who has that stuff either; I'm sure some do but I don't know anyone who does and I know quite a few hunters.

I doubt night vision goggles by themselves are anything suspicious, you can order older military versions from Cabela's.

Fern

 

[tfcmasta97]

Originally posted by: PC Surgeon
Moral of the story:

Being born Arabic + buying night vision goggles + Buying armor + Military manuals = Terrorist

Wonder how it works for "normal" Americans...

She wouldnt have had to suffer if she made better lifestyle choices.

She should have been born a fatass redneck and failed highschool like a real american