Innocent or guilty

[maverick44]

http://www.npr.org/templates/s...y.php?storyId=93571773

IMHO I think the FBI story is a little more than far fetched.

 

[jpeyton]

Another example of government lies at the highest levels, all in the name of promoting our "war on terror".

The FBI story has more holes in it than JMC's head.

 

[Wheezer]

MHO I think the FBI story is a little more than far fetched.

I am sure that the FBI felt the same way about the 9-11 pilots before they actually carried it out.

 

[maverick44]

Originally posted by: Wheezer

MHO I think the FBI story is a little more than far fetched.

I am sure that the FBI felt the same way about the 9-11 pilots before they actually carried it out.

Sure that just proves the FBI is incompetent...

Punishing innocent people is far worse...

a police state is not the solution....

If I am in a jury.. no way in hell this is going to fly with me..

the charges sound more like a B movie plotline

 

[Czar]

I have a feeling that she was picked up by the US gov or Pakistani gov and handed over to the US years ago. In captivity she was tortured for information she did not have for something she had not done. This went on for maybe a few years untill they realised she was the wrong person, by that time she was mentally broken. Because of that they couldnt release her and do nothing, doing so would most definetly proove the effects of the torture methods used so they had to figure out a way to release her and pin something on her.

Or maybe not, really hope we will find out.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: maverick44
http://www.npr.org/templates/s...y.php?storyId=93571773

IMHO I think the FBI story is a little more than far fetched.

What is the FBI's story, in your opinion?

The whole thing seems wierd to me, but I'm not sure what you're referring to when you say "the FBI's story"?

Oh, and her husband needed night vision googles and body armor for "big game hunting"? I ain't buying that either.

Fern

 

[RightIsWrong]

I thought that spying on American citizens in the name of terrorism was something that became a necessity only after 9/11?

FBI officials confirm that they started watching Siddiqui and her husband in July 2001. They were living in Boston at the time, and they came to the FBI's attention when Siddiqui's husband at the time used a debit card to buy night-vision goggles, some body armor and military manuals off the Internet.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
I thought that spying on American citizens in the name of terrorism was something that became a necessity only after 9/11?

FBI officials confirm that they started watching Siddiqui and her husband in July 2001. They were living in Boston at the time, and they came to the FBI's attention when Siddiqui's husband at the time used a debit card to buy night-vision goggles, some body armor and military manuals off the Internet.

Interesting. Good point and nice catch

Under what government program was this done?

Fern

 

[maverick44]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: maverick44
http://www.npr.org/templates/s...y.php?storyId=93571773

IMHO I think the FBI story is a little more than far fetched.

What is the FBI's story, in your opinion?

The whole thing seems wierd to me, but I'm not sure what you're referring to when you say "the FBI's story"?

Oh, and her husband needed night vision googles and body armor for "big game hunting"? I ain't buying that either.

Fern

1) If you read the article she was being charged with attempting to assualt to US army personnel. In afghanistan.

2) She disappeared from her home in boston.

3) It is this story that doesn't make sense for me.
"It seems extraordinary to imagine that four U.S. agents who'd gone to pick her up ? two military, two FBI ? along with at least two Afghan translators, were somehow surprised by this woman, who overpowered them, grabbed a gun, flipped the safety, fired off a couple of shots, and then could only be subdued by shots to the torso," said the Asia-Pacific director of Amnesty International", Sam Zarif


4) The real charges are supposedly these

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blot...tory?id=5574093&page=1


5) By being a neuroscientist doesnot make you dangerous.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: maverick44

Originally posted by: Fern
-snip-

1) If you read the article she was being charged with attempting to assualt to US army personnel. In afghanistan.

Of course I read the story. :roll: In fact, I read it several times because it makes little sense.

2) She disappeared from her home in boston.

That seems to be a fact, no?

And the timeline her attorney details makes little sense. Her attorney claims she's been held in a secret Afganistan prison for 5 1/2 years? If my math is correct, that puts her there in late'02 or early '03? We'd only invaded them about 6 months prior.

Then supposedly KSM was the one who fingered her to US authorities, but he wasn't even in custody until march 2003?

An the FBI didn't even issue anything about her until '04 (presumably when KSM mentioned her)


3) It is this story that doesn't make sense for me.
"It seems extraordinary to imagine that four U.S. agents who'd gone to pick her up ? two military, two FBI ? along with at least two Afghan translators, were somehow surprised by this woman, who overpowered them, grabbed a gun, flipped the safety, fired off a couple of shots, and then could only be subdued by shots to the torso," said the Asia-Pacific director of Amnesty International", Sam Zarif

^ That's her attorney's version

4) The real charges are supposedly these

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blot...tory?id=5574093&page=1


5) By being a neuroscientist doesnot make you dangerous.

edit

I think the "facts" as reported in this article are highly questionable, and there's obviously much more to the story than what we're hearing now..

Edit: OK I just got that llink to work for me. For some reason it did not before. That ABC article has much more info. She looks more like trouble to me now.

Fern

 

[maverick44]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: maverick44

Originally posted by: Fern
-snip-

1) If you read the article she was being charged with attempting to assualt to US army personnel. In afghanistan.

Of course I read the story. :roll: In fact, I read it several times because it makes little sense.

2) She disappeared from her home in boston.

That seems to be a fact, no?

And the timeline her attorney details makes little sense. Her attorney claims she's been held in a secret Afganistan prison for 5 1/2 years? If my math is correct, that puts her there in late'02 or early '03? We'd only invaded them about 6 months prior.

Then supposedly KSM was the one who fingered her to US authorities, but he wasn't even in custody until march 2003?

An the FBI didn't even issue anything about her until '04 (presumably when KSM mentioned her)


3) It is this story that doesn't make sense for me.
"It seems extraordinary to imagine that four U.S. agents who'd gone to pick her up ? two military, two FBI ? along with at least two Afghan translators, were somehow surprised by this woman, who overpowered them, grabbed a gun, flipped the safety, fired off a couple of shots, and then could only be subdued by shots to the torso," said the Asia-Pacific director of Amnesty International", Sam Zarif

^ That's her attorney's version

No its Amnesty International..... READ

4) The real charges are supposedly these

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blot...tory?id=5574093&page=1


5) By being a neuroscientist doesnot make you dangerous.

I think that's her sister who is the neurologist

Awww heck... again please READ she has a phd in neuroscience from brandeis

I think the "facts" as reported in this article are highly questionable, and there's obviously much more to the story than what we're hearing now..

Fern

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: maverick44
5) By being a neuroscientist doesnot make you dangerous.

Yes, apparently it can:

was carrying detailed chemical-biological radiological weapon information when she was arrested in Afghanistan.

Originally posted by: maverick44
No its Amnesty International.....

OK, but the point remains it's not the FBI's. I don't see WTH AI would know about it anyway, and as far as I can tell they could only get their info from her attorney anyway.

Fern

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: maverick44
4) The real charges are supposedly these

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blot...tory?id=5574093&page=1

Wow. The NPR story sure dropped the ball on including some pertinent information.

Imagine that.

 

[First]

It's from NPR, written by a committed leftist, with the help of ACLU-affiliated writers. No one should be shocked she came to these conclusions.

 

[winnar111]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
I thought that spying on American citizens in the name of terrorism was something that became a necessity only after 9/11?

FBI officials confirm that they started watching Siddiqui and her husband in July 2001. They were living in Boston at the time, and they came to the FBI's attention when Siddiqui's husband at the time used a debit card to buy night-vision goggles, some body armor and military manuals off the Internet.

Where did it say she was a citizen?

"To hear U.S. officials tell it, the 36-year-old Siddiqui was from a fairly well-off family in Pakistan. Her father trained as a doctor in England, and he sent his three children to the U.S. for an education."

Sounds like she wasn't born here at least.

 

[maverick44]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: maverick44
5) By being a neuroscientist doesnot make you dangerous.

Yes, apparently it can:

was carrying detailed chemical-biological radiological weapon information when she was arrested in Afghanistan.

Originally posted by: maverick44
No its Amnesty International.....

OK, but the point remains it's not the FBI's. I don't see WTH AI would know about it anyway, and as far as I can tell they could only get their info from her attorney anyway.

Fern

Fern,

She has a degree in cognitive neuroscience... ie how the brain recognizes certain images...

Regardless of whether you believe whether or not the charges are true... her education never qualified her to be a terrorist... not to say that institutions like MIT or bandeis prepare you on how to make a bomb

 

[Wheezer]

Originally posted by: maverick44

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: maverick44
5) By being a neuroscientist doesnot make you dangerous.

Yes, apparently it can:

was carrying detailed chemical-biological radiological weapon information when she was arrested in Afghanistan.

Originally posted by: maverick44
No its Amnesty International.....

OK, but the point remains it's not the FBI's. I don't see WTH AI would know about it anyway, and as far as I can tell they could only get their info from her attorney anyway.

Fern

Fern,

She has a degree in cognitive neuroscience... ie how the brain recognizes certain images...

Regardless of whether you believe whether or not the charges are true... her education never qualified her to be a terrorist... not to say that institutions like MIT or bandeis prepare you on how to make a bomb

and going to flight school for a very short period of time does not make you qualified to pilot a jetliner into a building.....oh wait.

 

[maverick44]

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Originally posted by: maverick44

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: maverick44
5) By being a neuroscientist doesnot make you dangerous.

Yes, apparently it can:

was carrying detailed chemical-biological radiological weapon information when she was arrested in Afghanistan.

Originally posted by: maverick44
No its Amnesty International.....

OK, but the point remains it's not the FBI's. I don't see WTH AI would know about it anyway, and as far as I can tell they could only get their info from her attorney anyway.

Fern

Fern,

She has a degree in cognitive neuroscience... ie how the brain recognizes certain images...

Regardless of whether you believe whether or not the charges are true... her education never qualified her to be a terrorist... not to say that institutions like MIT or bandeis prepare you on how to make a bomb

and going to flight school for a very short period of time does not make you qualified to pilot a jetliner into a building.....oh wait.

so in your opinion muslim+ qualified anything = dangerous terrorist.

computer scientist = hacker
chemical engineer = bomb maker
Doctor= bomb maker ( hey even a psychologist would qualify since cognitive neuroscience is more about psychology)

Any other professions you would like to blame?

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Originally posted by: maverick44

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: maverick44
5) By being a neuroscientist doesnot make you dangerous.

Yes, apparently it can:

was carrying detailed chemical-biological radiological weapon information when she was arrested in Afghanistan.

Originally posted by: maverick44
No its Amnesty International.....

OK, but the point remains it's not the FBI's. I don't see WTH AI would know about it anyway, and as far as I can tell they could only get their info from her attorney anyway.

Fern

Fern,

She has a degree in cognitive neuroscience... ie how the brain recognizes certain images...

Regardless of whether you believe whether or not the charges are true... her education never qualified her to be a terrorist... not to say that institutions like MIT or bandeis prepare you on how to make a bomb

and going to flight school for a very short period of time does not make you qualified to pilot a jetliner into a building.....oh wait.

Based on that logic, we should round up all the gun owners in America as potential terrorists. After all, they have weapons specifically designed to kill people, and frequently practice with them to be able to do just that. They have Internet forums dedicated to talking about shooting people, including discussions about what rounds kill the most efficiently. That seems like a far greater potential for danger than people going to flight school.

It's not what people do, it's WHY they do it that's important...something all the police state proponents seem to forget.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Moral of the story:

Being born Arabic + buying night vision goggles + Buying armor + Military manuals = Terrorist

Wonder how it works for "normal" Americans...

 

[jackschmittusa]

Makes me want to carry my pocket version of "Improvised Weapons" with me in case I'm ever stopped for something. Could make for an interesting day.

 

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: maverick44
4) The real charges are supposedly these

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blot...tory?id=5574093&page=1

Wow. The NPR story sure dropped the ball on including some pertinent information.

Imagine that.

Yeah, they sure dropped the ball there.

From the article:

But her lawyer, activist attorney Elizabeth Fink, says the entire government case against Siddique is a lie.

"They used the same stuff 40 years ago...against the Black Panthers, against the Attica Brothers...a list of targets in their possession...why would anyone be in Ghanzi, Afghanistan walking around with a list of landmarks of New York?," Fink asked. "These people are nuts and don't even know how to lie."

Fink, a protégé of now deceased firebrand William H. Kunstler, says that everything in Siddique's past points to a life completely different than the government has alleged in its criminal complaint.

"She graduates MIT summa cum laude. She gets her MS and her PhD from Brandeis -- Brandeis! Eating Kosher and living with the Jews; all of a sudden she turns into an Al Qaeda operative? If that's true this country is doomed. Doomed," said Fink.

Brandeis, lol. Look up the school. Really. They're so perversely diverse that the school roster can make an anti-affirmative-action dude spontaneously combust.

If she trudged though a masters and a PhD there, I highly doubt that she didn't learn the lesson of love, acceptance, and diversity.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: fallout man

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: maverick44
4) The real charges are supposedly these

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blot...tory?id=5574093&page=1

Wow. The NPR story sure dropped the ball on including some pertinent information.

Imagine that.

Yeah, they sure dropped the ball there.

From the article:

But her lawyer, activist attorney Elizabeth Fink, says the entire government case against Siddique is a lie.

"They used the same stuff 40 years ago...against the Black Panthers, against the Attica Brothers...a list of targets in their possession...why would anyone be in Ghanzi, Afghanistan walking around with a list of landmarks of New York?," Fink asked. "These people are nuts and don't even know how to lie."

Fink, a protégé of now deceased firebrand William H. Kunstler, says that everything in Siddique's past points to a life completely different than the government has alleged in its criminal complaint.

"She graduates MIT summa cum laude. She gets her MS and her PhD from Brandeis -- Brandeis! Eating Kosher and living with the Jews; all of a sudden she turns into an Al Qaeda operative? If that's true this country is doomed. Doomed," said Fink.

Brandeis, lol. Look up the school. Really. They're so perversely diverse that the school roster can make an anti-affirmative-action dude spontaneously combust.

If she trudged though a masters and a PhD there, I highly doubt that she didn't learn the lesson of love, acceptance, and diversity.

I'm assuming that's sarcasm. btw, Ted Kaczynski went to Harvard.

 

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: fallout man

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: maverick44
4) The real charges are supposedly these

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blot...tory?id=5574093&page=1

Wow. The NPR story sure dropped the ball on including some pertinent information.

Imagine that.

Yeah, they sure dropped the ball there.

From the article:

But her lawyer, activist attorney Elizabeth Fink, says the entire government case against Siddique is a lie.

"They used the same stuff 40 years ago...against the Black Panthers, against the Attica Brothers...a list of targets in their possession...why would anyone be in Ghanzi, Afghanistan walking around with a list of landmarks of New York?," Fink asked. "These people are nuts and don't even know how to lie."

Fink, a protégé of now deceased firebrand William H. Kunstler, says that everything in Siddique's past points to a life completely different than the government has alleged in its criminal complaint.

"She graduates MIT summa cum laude. She gets her MS and her PhD from Brandeis -- Brandeis! Eating Kosher and living with the Jews; all of a sudden she turns into an Al Qaeda operative? If that's true this country is doomed. Doomed," said Fink.

Brandeis, lol. Look up the school. Really. They're so perversely diverse that the school roster can make an anti-affirmative-action dude spontaneously combust.

If she trudged though a masters and a PhD there, I highly doubt that she didn't learn the lesson of love, acceptance, and diversity.

I'm assuming that's sarcasm. btw, Ted Kaczynski went to Harvard.

It's not sarcasm. That school is very attuned to trying to become as diverse as possible; and really, the campus is very welcoming to just about everyone without regard for their personal views. In all seriousness, I'm willing to call shens on the accusations purely because this woman is a Brandeis grad-school alum.

How do I know? IT IS A MYSTERY and a VERY SPECIAL SECRET!

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: fallout man
It's not sarcasm. That school is very attuned to trying to become as diverse as possible; and really, the campus is very welcoming to just about everyone without regard for their personal views. In all seriousness, I'm willing to call shens on the accusations purely because this woman is a Brandeis grad-school alum.

How do I know? IT IS A MYSTERY and a VERY SPECIAL SECRET!

Sorry, but going to a particular school is not a guarantee of sweetness and wholesomeness and I find that sort of reasoning particularly weak. Not to mention that we are constantly reminded that terrorists are often highly educated people and not just poor, angry slobs. In fact, quite a few went to western schools prior to becoming radicals.