ING Direct "No Load Bond Fund" earning 6% ... what's the catch?

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denali

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Originally posted by: RossMAN
I just called ING Direct's customer service regarding my savings account (shocking I know, I actually have a savings account where one deposits instead of withdraws money --- don't worry my AT account has not been hijacked) anyhow just as I was about to hang up the friendly CSR asks, would you be interested in one of our "No Load Bond Funds"?

I asked WTF?

He was only able to provide me with sparse information but said he would snail mail me a prospectus so I can look it over.

No minimum amount.
It's an investment, so it's NOT FDIC insured.
It was last earning 6%, probably 5.50% or 5.75% now.
It's conservative.
Not sure if there is a 1 month, 3 month, 6 month or 12 month committment (similiar to a CD).

INGDirect.com --> Learn More --> Investment Products

ING Direct Bond Fund

Did you take a look at the prospectus for the bond fund. It can invest 15% in junk and 25% in foreign securities. It says that under
normal market conditions it invests 80% in the following high-grade corp bonds grade A or better; mortgage or asset- backed securities and finally US gov securities.

My guess is that they are invested less in government securities and more in the other things this would increase the return. I US intrest rates go up the bond values will go down. Also with all the mortgage refinance going on they may get caught, refis are bad, recently FannieMae and FreddieMac dropped big time because of this. Also personal bankrupcies are at near record highs this is bad for bonds. You also have currency and default risk with the foreign investments.

The rate it returns shouldn't scare you off but what they invest in might. Plus the fund has an expense ration of 1.09% this is very high for a bond fund. One other thing that bothers me is that the prospectus doesn't tell you what they are investing in.
 

dirtboy

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Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: kherman
Originally posted by: freebee
I'm earning just over 1.5% on about a 20 grand CD....prolly shoulda opted for something with a bit higher interest rate...but I'm poor and I need something with security. And I get free checking, a mastercard, etc. when I keep a 8 grand balance or something....

This seems like a good idea, I might have only 10 grand in cash left over to invest....but the only bonds I trust are govt bonds and they are fairly long term......

At 1.5% adjusted for inflation, your actually loosing money. Infaltion is about 3%. Do the math and see what the $20K is worth 20 years from now. You might want to pay the penalty and get out of that ASAP. Paying down your home is a bettter investment than that.

Inflation is not 3% today.
 

PsychoAndy

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I found an A rated 6.25% APY 4 year bond for Ford Motor Credit a couple weeks ago.

IMHO, if you're gonna go into bonds you might as well buy them yourelf and forgo the expenses associated with funds.

-PAB
 

iamwiz82

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Jan 10, 2001
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Originally posted by: PsychoAndy
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Qwest just released some junk bonds with a yield of 12%

Hmm. I've been considering moving into safer investments....

-PAB

a qwest junk bond rated at B is not a safe investment. ;)
 

PsychoAndy

Lifer
Dec 31, 2000
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Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: PsychoAndy
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Qwest just released some junk bonds with a yield of 12%

Hmm. I've been considering moving into safer investments....

-PAB

a qwest junk bond rated at B is not a safe investment. ;)

It is compared to what my portfolio has been thru. -95%.

I'll buy junk.

BTW RossMAN. Nice avatar.

-PAB
 

RossMAN

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Feb 24, 2000
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Originally posted by: PsychoAndy
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: PsychoAndy
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Qwest just released some junk bonds with a yield of 12%

Hmm. I've been considering moving into safer investments....

-PAB

a qwest junk bond rated at B is not a safe investment. ;)

It is compared to what my portfolio has been thru. -95%.

I'll buy junk.

BTW RossMAN. Nice avatar.

-PAB

Evidently I'm going through a major identity crisis right now ... and trying to shake ElFenix off my ass!
 

iamwiz82

Lifer
Jan 10, 2001
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Originally posted by: PsychoAndy
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: PsychoAndy
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Qwest just released some junk bonds with a yield of 12%

Hmm. I've been considering moving into safer investments....

-PAB

a qwest junk bond rated at B is not a safe investment. ;)

It is compared to what my portfolio has been thru. -95%.

I'll buy junk.

BTW RossMAN. Nice avatar.

-PAB

I prefer safer investments. Ratings below BB3 scare me.
 

PsychoAndy

Lifer
Dec 31, 2000
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Originally posted by: RossMAN
Originally posted by: PsychoAndy
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: PsychoAndy
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Qwest just released some junk bonds with a yield of 12%

Hmm. I've been considering moving into safer investments....

-PAB

a qwest junk bond rated at B is not a safe investment. ;)

It is compared to what my portfolio has been thru. -95%.

I'll buy junk.

BTW RossMAN. Nice avatar.

-PAB

Evidently I'm going through a major identity crisis right now ... and trying to shake ElFenix off my ass!

If you think your ass is your only problem, you're mistaken.

:p

-PAB
 

RossMAN

Grand Nagus
Feb 24, 2000
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Originally posted by: PsychoAndy
Originally posted by: RossMAN
Originally posted by: PsychoAndy
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: PsychoAndy
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Qwest just released some junk bonds with a yield of 12%

Hmm. I've been considering moving into safer investments....

-PAB

a qwest junk bond rated at B is not a safe investment. ;)

It is compared to what my portfolio has been thru. -95%.

I'll buy junk.

BTW RossMAN. Nice avatar.

-PAB

Evidently I'm going through a major identity crisis right now ... and trying to shake ElFenix off my ass!

If you think your ass is your only problem, you're mistaken.

:p

-PAB

Ok and your atrocious Chinese food, other than that I have no problems :D ok perhaps a slight amount of debt.
 

PsychoAndy

Lifer
Dec 31, 2000
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Originally posted by: RossMAN
Originally posted by: PsychoAndy
Originally posted by: RossMAN
Originally posted by: PsychoAndy
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: PsychoAndy
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Qwest just released some junk bonds with a yield of 12%

Hmm. I've been considering moving into safer investments....

-PAB

a qwest junk bond rated at B is not a safe investment. ;)

It is compared to what my portfolio has been thru. -95%.

I'll buy junk.

BTW RossMAN. Nice avatar.

-PAB

Evidently I'm going through a major identity crisis right now ... and trying to shake ElFenix off my ass!

If you think your ass is your only problem, you're mistaken.

:p

-PAB

Ok and your atrocious Chinese food, other than that I have no problems :D ok perhaps a slight amount of debt.

No, I meant that I'm recruiting.

WANTED: Campaign Manger for Grand Nagus 2002 race.

Salary and benefits negotiable. All qualified applicants, please PM a resume to PAB.

:D

-PAB
 

RossMAN

Grand Nagus
Feb 24, 2000
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Originally posted by: PsychoAndy
Originally posted by: RossMAN
Originally posted by: PsychoAndy
Originally posted by: RossMAN
Originally posted by: PsychoAndy
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: PsychoAndy
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Qwest just released some junk bonds with a yield of 12%

Hmm. I've been considering moving into safer investments....

-PAB

a qwest junk bond rated at B is not a safe investment. ;)

It is compared to what my portfolio has been thru. -95%.

I'll buy junk.

BTW RossMAN. Nice avatar.

-PAB

Evidently I'm going through a major identity crisis right now ... and trying to shake ElFenix off my ass!

If you think your ass is your only problem, you're mistaken.

:p

-PAB

Ok and your atrocious Chinese food, other than that I have no problems :D ok perhaps a slight amount of debt.

No, I meant that I'm recruiting.

WANTED: Campaign Manger for Grand Nagus 2002 race.

Salary and benefits negotiable. All qualified applicants, please PM a resume to PAB.

:D

-PAB

I admit it, I wanted to be like you but there's only one PAB in this world (and thank goodness for that) ;)
 

PsychoAndy

Lifer
Dec 31, 2000
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Originally posted by: RossMAN
Originally posted by: PsychoAndy
Originally posted by: RossMAN
Originally posted by: PsychoAndy
Originally posted by: RossMAN
Originally posted by: PsychoAndy
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Originally posted by: PsychoAndy
Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Qwest just released some junk bonds with a yield of 12%

Hmm. I've been considering moving into safer investments....

-PAB

a qwest junk bond rated at B is not a safe investment. ;)

It is compared to what my portfolio has been thru. -95%.

I'll buy junk.

BTW RossMAN. Nice avatar.

-PAB

Evidently I'm going through a major identity crisis right now ... and trying to shake ElFenix off my ass!

If you think your ass is your only problem, you're mistaken.

:p

-PAB

Ok and your atrocious Chinese food, other than that I have no problems :D ok perhaps a slight amount of debt.

No, I meant that I'm recruiting.

WANTED: Campaign Manger for Grand Nagus 2002 race.

Salary and benefits negotiable. All qualified applicants, please PM a resume to PAB.

:D

-PAB

I admit it, I wanted to be like you but there's only one PAB in this world (and thank goodness for that) ;)

What if I had kids? :Q

Office Depot and Staples might just go out of business! :D

BTW, got my new cell phone. My off peak kicks in at 6 PM your time. Wanna help me break it in?

-PAB

 

PsychoAndy

Lifer
Dec 31, 2000
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Originally posted by: PSYWVic
At this exact moment, the APY on the 30 year long bond is currently 5.021%

They still have a 30 year long bond? I thought they were supposed to do away with it.

-PAB
 

brtspears2

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Nov 16, 2000
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Well, the catch for you RossMAN is to have money to invest first .... if in debt, best investment is to get out first.
 

C'DaleRider

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According to Dept. of Labor stats, core inflation (discounting volatile food and energy prices) is running 2.5% and is relatively unchanged over the last few years.