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Inflation soars 1.2% as CPI rises

RightIsWrong

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Come guys.....how is this the Dems or Clinton's fault? I know that the argument will be made. Is it because the "Obstruction party" didn't just let the Republicans spend even more than that did? Or is it because Clinton was a bad man?

Of course the Bush administration contradicts themselves again. Saying that they have confidence in the Fed while downplaying the report as anything serious. Meanwhile....the Fed is "seriously worried"

Regardless, the deficit-spending Repubs have put us in a position to rival the Carter years. Good job. Keep up the good work.

Consumer Prices Surge; Retail Sales Rise

By MARTIN CRUTSINGER
AP Economics Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Consumer prices surged in September by the largest amount in more than 25 years as Hurricanes Katrina and Rita sent energy prices soaring at the fastest pace on record.

The Labor Department reported Friday that inflation jumped 1.2 percent last month. It said that 90 percent of that increase came from a record-setting 12 percent surge in energy prices which reflected gasoline prices that briefly topped $3 per gallon last month after widespread shutdowns of refineries and oil and natural gas platforms along the Gulf Coast.

The White House downplayed the report.

"The president has confidence in the Federal Reserve when it comes to monetary policy and their ability to address any inflation concerns," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said.

Meanwhile, the Federal Reserve reported that the devastating hurricanes sent output at the nation's factories, mines and utilities plunging by 1.3 percent in September, the biggest one-month drop in more than 23 years.

The decline in industrial output was led by a 9.1 percent drop in output in the mining sector, a category that includes oil and natural gas. Output at U.S. factories fell by 0.5 percent and utility output was down 0.9 percent.

The Labor Department said that inflation was more moderate outside of energy and food. The so-called core rate of inflation rose by just 0.1 percent, the sixth straight month of benign readings in this area.

However, economists and officials at the Federal Reserve are worried that the energy jolt from the Gulf Coast hurricanes could start causing more widespread inflation problems.

The sharp jump in consumer prices in September helped to push next year's cost of living adjustment for 48 million Social Security recipients to 4.1 percent, the biggest advance since 1991.

In other economic news, the Commerce Department reported that retail sales managed to post a small increase of 0.2 percent in September. However, that tiny gain came after a huge 1.9 percent plunge in retail sales in August.

The concern is that the surge in energy prices will cause consumers to cut back their spending in other areas, a development that would make the economic hit from Katrina and Rita much more severe.

There was disturbing news in that area Friday as a preliminary reading of consumer sentiment from the University of Michigan showed a drop in its index to 75.4 in mid-October, a 13-year low, from 76.9 in September as Americans remained gloomy about high energy prices.

Meanwhile, the Commerce Department reported that businesses built their stockpiles by 0.4 percent in August, reversing a 0.4 percent decline in inventories in July.

Stocks were mixed Friday as the report on weakening consumer confidence offset strong earnings at General Electric Co. and government data indicating that core inflation remains tame.

The retail sales report showed that sales at gas stations were up 4 percent last month. However, much of that increase reflected the surge in pump prices rather than increased volume.

If gasoline sales were excluded, sales at all other retailers actually fell by 0.2 percent in September.

The 1.2 percent rise in consumer prices was far worse than analysts had expected. They had been looking for a gain of around 0.9 percent.
However, core inflation was better behaved at 0.1 percent. Analysts had expected a rise of 0.2 percent in this area, which is being closely watched by policy-makers at the Fed for signs that the surge in energy costs is beginning to show up in higher prices in other areas.

The Fed last month boosted a key short-term interest rate for an 11th time and minutes of their discussions at the Sept. 20 meeting showed that Fed officials were clearly worried about what the big jump in energy costs following the Gulf Coast hurricanes would do to overall inflation pressures.

Analysts believe the Fed will keep raising interest rates as a way to fight inflation at their final two meetings of this year, in November and December.

The report on consumer prices showed that energy prices shot up by 12 percent, led by a 17.9 percent surge in gasoline prices. Natural gas prices rose by 12.1 percent rise and home heating oil prices jumped 12.7 percent. The government this week warned homeowners to expect heating bills to soar this winter.

Food costs were up a modest 0.2 percent in September as the cost of beef and dairy products actually declined.

Airline fares, which have been climbing because of higher jet fuel costs, actually dropped by 1.4 percent last month. The price of new cars rose by 0.4 percent but clothing costs dipped by 0.1 percent.

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So are you going to make another thread next month when the CPI drops after this temporary spike due to katrina/rita is over? My guess is no. If you just report on the months that are bad and ignore the good ones you can make everything seem pretty bad.
 
I already posted this CPI in the economics thread.
Originally posted by: Helenihi
So are you going to make another thread next month when the CPI drops after this temporary spike due to katrina/rita is over? My guess is no. If you just report on the months that are bad and ignore the good ones you can make everything seem pretty bad.
Originally posted by: zendari
How about waiting for multiple months of this before crying gloom and doom?
It wasn't just a one month CPI increase. CPI has steadilly risen month after month for quite some time. Inflation is at 4.7% year over year. That isn't a one month blip. Expect the GDP (adjusted for inflation) numbers to be pretty bad this next time. That will likely be a temporary spike down. But inflation is here to stay. That is why the feds keep raising rates.
 
WOW....you all jumped on that bandwagon incredibly quick. Did any of you read the article? I would seriously doubt it. If you had, you would have seen that, take out the gas sales that spiked because of Katrina and Rita and and retail sales would have fallen for a second straight month. Now, since katrina and Rita have passed and gas prices seem to be coming back down to just obsurd levels instead of simply outragious, you get the wonderful spike in home heating costs. That will no doubt be reflected in lower retail sales again in October, November, December, January, February and March also.

That will, in turn keep interest rates up, which will lead to higher inflation. Looks like a trend to me. Are you all going to concede that inflation is rising like crazy next month or the month after when this trend continues?
 
Core inflation which doesnt include energy prices rose at .1%

If we can ride out this surge in energy prices our inflation should come back into check.

 
The Labor Department said that inflation was more moderate outside of energy and food. The so-called core rate of inflation rose by just 0.1 percent, the sixth straight month of benign readings in this area.

Doesn't sound like the end of the world to me.
 
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
WOW....you all jumped on that bandwagon incredibly quick.
Are you lumping me in with the rest?
That will, in turn keep interest rates up, which will lead to higher inflation. Looks like a trend to me. Are you all going to concede that inflation is rising like crazy next month or the month after when this trend continues?
Food for thought:
Year over year inflation numbers from the BLS, ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/cpi/cpiai.txt :

Dec 2003: 1.88% higher than Dec 2002
Dec 2004: 3.26% higher than Dec 2003
Sept 2005: 4.69% higher than Sept 2004

Pattern?
 
Originally posted by: dullard
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
WOW....you all jumped on that bandwagon incredibly quick.
Are you lumping me in with the rest?
That will, in turn keep interest rates up, which will lead to higher inflation. Looks like a trend to me. Are you all going to concede that inflation is rising like crazy next month or the month after when this trend continues?
Food for thought:
Year over year inflation numbers ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/special.requests/cpi/cpiai.txt">from the BLS</a>.
Dec 2003: 1.88% higher than Dec 2002
Dec 2004: 3.26% higher than Dec 2003
Sept 2005: 4.69% higher than Sept 2004

Pattern?

No. I was typing as you posted (I believe). And the three that posted above you saying to ignore this as a simple blip and not a trend will just as conviently ignore your info from the BLS showing that inflation has steadily increased over this administration's term.
 
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
ignore your info from the BLS showing that inflation has steadily increased over this administration's term.
If you want to include the whole term:

Dec 2001: 1.55% higher than Dec 2000
Dec 2002: 2.34% higher than Dec 2001
Dec 2003: 1.88% higher than Dec 2002
Dec 2004: 3.26% higher than Dec 2003
Sept 2005: 4.69% higher than Sept 2004

Yes, it has steadilly increased. However, I do NOT blame the administration. I blame the feds (Greenspan in particular). They have control over the inflation, the president and congress do not.

 
Originally posted by: Helenihi
So are you going to make another thread next month when the CPI drops after this temporary spike due to katrina/rita is over? My guess is no. If you just report on the months that are bad and ignore the good ones you can make everything seem pretty bad.

:thumbsup:

Of course he won't -- he'll be in that thread hijacking it with personal attacks like the rest of the circle. Remember, good news is really just gloom and doom!
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
Gee Katrina and gas price increases. I cant imagine why inflation is rising?

I'd bet housing prices are much of the reason. Of course we all know Bush is a Realtor and he's been delibrately jacking up prices to rise inflation so RightIsWrong will have something to do today.
 
Originally posted by: dirtboy
Originally posted by: Genx87
Gee Katrina and gas price increases. I cant imagine why inflation is rising?

I'd bet housing prices are much of the reason. Of course we all know Bush is a Realtor and he's been delibrately jacking up prices to rise inflation so RightIsWrong will have something to do today.

You mean like add something of substance to a thread? I just want to be like you and Pabster....to just put out a one-liner that is totally without substance or content.

Gee....that was fun and easy. Maybe I can get my post count up into the thousands like you guys using this method?

GenX....these comments weren't necessarily about you. Although I don't often agree with your point of view, you, at least a good bit of the time, actually try to bring something to the discussion more than...Libs are bad...Obey Bush, he knows all.

 
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Originally posted by: dirtboy
Originally posted by: Genx87
Gee Katrina and gas price increases. I cant imagine why inflation is rising?

I'd bet housing prices are much of the reason. Of course we all know Bush is a Realtor and he's been delibrately jacking up prices to rise inflation so RightIsWrong will have something to do today.

You mean like add something of substance to a thread? I just want to be like you and Pabster....to just put out a one-liner that is totally without substance or content.

I added something, but obviously you can't read. :roll: Now you're trolling in your own thread... will the desperation ever end?
 
Originally posted by: dirtboy
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Originally posted by: dirtboy

I'd bet housing prices are much of the reason. Of course we all know Bush is a Realtor and he's been delibrately jacking up prices to rise inflation so RightIsWrong will have something to do today.

You mean like add something of substance to a thread? I just want to be like you and Pabster....to just put out a one-liner that is totally without substance or content.

I added something, but obviously you can't read. :roll: Now you're trolling in your own thread... will the desperation ever end?

What did you add? Your comment about housing prices? Why do you believe that it has/had an effect on inflation? What brought you to that conclusion? What economists agree with you?

You brought sh*t to the table and tried to pass it off as filet. Your sole purpose was to defend Bush and take a cheap shot at me and anyone else that seems to want to hold this administration and the Republican held Congress responsible for the current state of affairs without offering a single shred of proof as to why you believe otherwise.
 
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Originally posted by: dirtboy
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Originally posted by: dirtboy

I'd bet housing prices are much of the reason. Of course we all know Bush is a Realtor and he's been delibrately jacking up prices to rise inflation so RightIsWrong will have something to do today.

You mean like add something of substance to a thread? I just want to be like you and Pabster....to just put out a one-liner that is totally without substance or content.

I added something, but obviously you can't read. :roll: Now you're trolling in your own thread... will the desperation ever end?

What did you add?

Are you illiterate?

Your comment about housing prices?

*gasp* Who told you that?

Why do you believe that it has/had an effect on inflation?

If you knew what inflation was, then you'd already know the answer.

What brought you to that conclusion?

I know what the definition of inflation is and I know what housing prices have been doing the past few years.

What economists agree with you?

All of them.

You brought sh*t to the table and tried to pass it off as filet. Your sole purpose was to defend Bush and take a cheap shot at me and anyone else that seems to want to hold this administration and the Republican held Congress responsible for the current state of affairs without offering a single shred of proof as to why you believe otherwise.

We know you're desperate, but do you have roll around the floor crying?
 
Originally posted by: dirtboy
That's not the liberal way!
That was your first post. You added nothing.
Originally posted by: dirtboy
I'd bet housing prices are much of the reason. Of course we all know Bush is a Realtor and he's been delibrately jacking up prices to rise inflation so RightIsWrong will have something to do today.
That was your second post, which reads like a joke. Jokes add nothing to a serious discussion. Now were you actually being serious with that second post? If so, then :Q.
 
Originally posted by: dirtboy

Loads of crap

So tell me.....what about housing prices has caused the recent inflation trends? Is it that they were climbing like mad for years or is it that they are currently dropping?

Doesn't seem possible that both could be the answer because then you are burning the candle at both ends. Are you claiming that inflation was going up because the housing prices were rising because of low interest rates? Or is it that interest rates that were raised to curb inflation are now causing the housing market to slump and it is causing inflation?

And could you link me to all of these economists that seem to share your vast wealth of knowledge?
 
Originally posted by: dullard
Originally posted by: dirtboy
That's not the liberal way!
That was your first post. You added nothing.
Originally posted by: dirtboy
I'd bet housing prices are much of the reason. Of course we all know Bush is a Realtor and he's been delibrately jacking up prices to rise inflation so RightIsWrong will have something to do today.
That was your second post, which reads like a joke. Jokes add nothing to a serious discussion. Now were you actually being serious with that second post? If so, then :Q.

Let's compare:

RightIsWrong's first post...

Come guys.....how is this the Dems or Clinton's fault? I know that the argument will be made. Is it because the "Obstruction party" didn't just let the Republicans spend even more than that did? Or is it because Clinton was a bad man?

Of course the Bush administration contradicts themselves again. Saying that they have confidence in the Fed while downplaying the report as anything serious. Meanwhile....the Fed is "seriously worried"

Regardless, the deficit-spending Repubs have put us in a position to rival the Carter years. Good job. Keep up the good work.


How come you're not criticizing him for not adding anything to this thread? That is a troll post which gets a troll response. Funny how you run to the aide of your liberal buddies, but you won't call them out for trolling in the first place. :roll:
 
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
So tell me.....what about housing prices has caused the recent inflation trends? Is it that they were climbing like mad for years or is it that they are currently dropping?
Don't go overboard. Housing is just now dropping in some rare, extreme locations (Manhattan for example). But it is NOT dropping overall. CPI broke down into portions.. As you can see, housing did contribute, but it was a minor factor in this month's numbers.

 
Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Originally posted by: dirtboy

Brilliance beyond RiW's comprehension.

The sky is falling!!! *insert Dean talking points here*

Since when do you want to have a real discussion? Your first post was trolling and now you get your panties in a bunch like you want to talk. Maybe you should prove your points and back them up with economists.

Come guys.....how is this the Dems or Clinton's fault? I know that the argument will be made. Is it because the "Obstruction party" didn't just let the Republicans spend even more than that did? Or is it because Clinton was a bad man?

Of course the Bush administration contradicts themselves again. Saying that they have confidence in the Fed while downplaying the report as anything serious. Meanwhile....the Fed is "seriously worried"

Regardless, the deficit-spending Repubs have put us in a position to rival the Carter years. Good job. Keep up the good work.


What did you add? Your comment about Bush? Why do you believe that it has/had an effect on inflation? What brought you to that conclusion? What economists agree with you?

Keep trolling... Dean & Dave are proud.

Let's see how long it takes for you to spin this and change the subject.
 
Originally posted by: dirtboy
Funny how you run to the aide of your liberal buddies, but you won't call them out for trolling in the first place. :roll:
First thing I said in this post was that it was a repost. That is some form of criticism. Then I corrected his incorrect statement that housing was dropping. There you go. I called him out twice. I bash people on both sides of the argument. I'm only here for truth.
 
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