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Infinity Ward: New CoD Engine Would Be "Counter-productive"

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MentalIlness

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http://www.psxextreme.com/ps3-news/8652.html

DICE has the Frostbite 2 engine for Battlfield 3, so might Infinity Ward have a new engine for Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3, which they are rumored to be developing?

Nope. When someone mentioned on Robert Bowling's Twitter page that "someone just needs to spend the $ and construct a new engine for the CoD franchise...ground up," Bowling replied: "That would be counterproductive. An engine takes years and years to develop and get right." For a frame of reference, check out the new Battlefield 3 gameplay, which shows off that aforementioned Frostbite 2 engine. In contrast, all the CoD entries since CoD2 in 2005 have run on the same engine, although modifications and other upgrades have been obvious.



We all assume Infinity Ward is cranking away on MW3 and we expect an official announcement soon, but if they want to be competitive with DICE and EA, maybe a new engine will be necessary at some point... The CoD fans don't seem to notice or care that each entry has been using the same engine but then again, both IW and Treyarch have done some pretty amazing things with that piece of technology.
But uh...maybe that Twitter poster has a point. Maybe if Activision didn't have to put out a CoD title every year, someone could make a new engine...

When a fan said the Call of Duty franchise needed a new engine, IW replied: It would "take too long."
 
Why spend the money on a new engine when the current one serves them well, people still buy the same game over and over again with a new name and theme, and they make millions in the process.
 
Why would they need to make a new engine? To request such a thing, or look down on them for not doing it, you have to have a reason. What is the reason to think it is necessary? The games do what they want them to do, so there is absolutely no reason to make a new engine. What they have managed to do so far is pretty good.
 
The CoD series has become stale but it has nothing to do with the engine. The people who are complaining are looking in the wrong place entirely.
 
Veliko said:
The CoD series has become stale but it has nothing to do with the engine. The people who are complaining are looking in the wrong place entirely.
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So true. MW2 almost completely turned me off to the franchise, then the ps3 version of BlackOps finished the trick. I'm getting Socom 4 and that will be my only shooter until Socom 5 releases a few years from now. i.e. No more shooters for me, too many cheaters, horrible after release support, a horrible community in general, and so many other problems have turned me off to them on any platform.
 
There is no way in hell they would spend MORE money to make a few people happy.

They can release "Call of Duty: Eating A Peanut Butter & Jelly Sandwich" and it will sell millions on the 1st day alone. They don't give a flying fuck over how much people think "teh graphixxx r suxxxorz - LoLz!!"
 
Pr0d1gy said:
So true. MW2 almost completely turned me off to the franchise, then the ps3 version of BlackOps finished the trick. I'm getting Socom 4 and that will be my only shooter until Socom 5 releases a few years from now. i.e. No more shooters for me, too many cheaters, horrible after release support, a horrible community in general, and so many other problems have turned me off to them on any platform.
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I believe this is the biggest reason I stick to single-player only.
 
Pr0d1gy said:
So true. MW2 almost completely turned me off to the franchise, then the ps3 version of BlackOps finished the trick. I'm getting Socom 4 and that will be my only shooter until Socom 5 releases a few years from now. i.e. No more shooters for me, too many cheaters, horrible after release support, a horrible community in general, and so many other problems have turned me off to them on any platform.
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Wow, you actually think Socom is any better in those regards? Socom has the WORST after release support I've ever seen and there are problems all over that series. It peaked at Socom 1 and Socom 2, then all downhill from there. I can't believe anyone would think that Socom is more polished than COD. They barely had the party system working the last time I checked along with lag and hit detection issues.

Also, I have BO on xbox as well as other shooters, but I have not seen a SINGLE cheater at all so your blanket statement that ALL shooters on all platforms have cheaters, no support and horrible communities is ignorant.

In contrast, I remember seeing lots of cheaters and glitchers in socom.
 
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Pr0d1gy said:
So true. MW2 almost completely turned me off to the franchise, then the ps3 version of BlackOps finished the trick. I'm getting Socom 4 and that will be my only shooter until Socom 5 releases a few years from now. i.e. No more shooters for me, too many cheaters, horrible after release support, a horrible community in general, and so many other problems have turned me off to them on any platform.
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black ops has much better support then MW2 did, and much less cheaters. actually i havent seen anyone cheating/hacking in BO on the PS3

the community is the same as any FPS community TBH its all the same, HALO, COD, BF....
 
Wow.. so by half you tools and that VP.. the world should not advance with technology and instead just stay status quo just because something is "good enough" and still makes money does not mean it is the best..? good to know why technology advancement is at a standstill..
this generation is fucking lazy..
 
Anubis said:
black ops has much better support then MW2 did, and much less cheaters. actually i havent seen anyone cheating/hacking in BO on the PS3

the community is the same as any FPS community TBH its all the same, HALO, COD, BF....
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No kidding. Even with all the exploits MW2 had it's a shadow of what I saw/see with counter strike. Shooters just inherently attract cheaters, that's life. Consoles have a pretty low rate of cheating comparatively, and the CoD games actually do a pretty good job of closing exploits quickly for the year that it's king. I saw next to no cheating on the 360 in MW2, and I've ran into absolutely none thus far in BO.
 
CVSiN said:
Wow.. so by half you tools and that VP.. the world should not advance with technology and instead just stay status quo just because something is "good enough" and still makes money does not mean it is the best..? good to know why technology advancement is at a standstill..
this generation is fucking lazy..
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If they were really lazy, they wouldn't make any games. It's mostly greedy and short sightedness.

The publishers/developers love making money. And gamers love giving them millions on launch and additional millions for DLC.

So, they won't touch it.

Instead, since you are angry at how stale CoD is, move on. There are tons of other games that are graphics intensive.
 
Or if they are lazy, they will sell the same game with nothing new except a half ass story. Kinda like what they do in the COD series every year.
 
Macamus Prime said:
If they were really lazy, they wouldn't make any games. It's mostly greedy and short sightedness.

The publishers/developers love making money. And gamers love giving them millions on launch and additional millions for DLC.

So, they won't touch it.

Instead, since you are angry at how stale CoD is, move on. There are tons of other games that are graphics intensive.
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already have... but with these old generation consoles ruling the earth there is no reason to make a new engine unless you are focusing on the PC side of the house and want to push the modern hardware.

top end PC hardware has jumped huge in technology since the consoles and these engines were created.
If these guys are so content pushing out crap for the consoles then technology will creep forward at a snails pace in the industry.

New consoles with much more horsepower are overdue as are new engines to really push them. this 10 year hardware cycle on consoles is freaking retarded. thats 10 video card and CPU and HD generations between upgrade cycles..

When I was growing up games and systems died of obsolescence in less than 1 year as technology was constantly being pushed by the PC and Mac game market of the 80s and 90s.
We went from PONG to Nintendo in the same window as the 360/PS3 have been out..
I personally dont get it.. the drive to advance and stay cutting edge has just vanished from the planet.. PC tech marches on but the game makers would rather develop sad old crap on old consoles.

I think the console life span should be less than 3 years and when a new generation comes out it should be pushing the very elite of PC tech for that year in CPU and GPU tech at least.
that way it stays much more current longer instead of the crappy upper mid range GPUs they put in the PS3 and the 360 at launch.
I'm sad.. I wish the drive for new tech and engines were still alive.. but I guess it just comes down to laziness and capitalism.. why spend money if you can rake in billions by using the same old crap.
 
CVSiN said:
I think the console life span should be less than 3 years and when a new generation comes out it should be pushing the very elite of PC tech for that year in CPU and GPU tech at least.
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And pay $400 to $600 every "less than 3 years"? People who get into consoles want to avoid that.

Consoles are safe, which is why they are so popular. They are safe for the gamer and the developer/publisher.

If costs and piracy wheren't such an issue on the PC platform, no one would care about consoles. It honestly comes down to the majority of each side picking the "safest" area to play.

Boring? Yes - eye candy wise, but they are fun enough though.

Safe? Yup, but there are still issues (PS3 hacks, RRoD, etc).
 
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CVSiN said:
Wow.. so by half you tools and that VP.. the world should not advance with technology and instead just stay status quo just because something is "good enough" and still makes money does not mean it is the best..? good to know why technology advancement is at a standstill..
this generation is fucking lazy..
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Wow, you're an idiot.

People really enjoy the stuff thats currently offered and there are lots of games that the majority of people are looking forward to.

You obviously are not one of those people, but thats you're problem. There's no need to call anybody lazy. Its a fucking business and it costs a lot of money for R&D for new systems. Why don't you put your money where your mouth is and donate towards the cause since you're so adamant about it.

Its a simple matter of supply and demand, but that might be too complicated for some people to understand.
 
Macamus Prime said:
And pay $400 to $600 every "less than 3 years"? People who get into consoles want to avoid that.

Consoles are safe, which is why they are so popular. They are safe for the gamer and the developer/publisher.

If costs and piracy wheren't such an issue on the PC platform, no one would care about consoles. It honestly comes down to the majority of each side picking the "safest" area to play.

Boring? Yes - eye candy wise, but they are fun enough though.

Safe? Yup, but there are still issues (PS3 hacks, RRoD, etc).
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Um yup.. so that technology in games and physics can advance..
instead of stale BS.

I spend more than 600 on video cards alone every year. I would sure as hell pay to have a cutting edge console and new games to push it every 3 years.
 
CVSiN said:
Um yup.. so that technology in games and physics can advance..
instead of stale BS.

I spend more than 600 on video cards alone every year. I would sure as hell pay to have a cutting edge console and new games to push it every 3 years.
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LOL,... it takes 2 to 3 years for developers to learn a new console to begin with.

Now, since you are willing to pay that much; sorry, it will not come from the console market. And if you feel the console market is "spoiling" your enjoyment of the games on the PC (because they get 'consolized' - I understand),... well, tough.

Unless you develop a feasable strategy to have custom console hardware be released every 3 years, make it profitable AND allow the developers to learn and release games with top notch graphics,... you'll just have to sit and fume over this.
 
PimpJuice said:
Wow, you're an idiot.

People really enjoy the stuff thats currently offered and there are lots of games that the majority of people are looking forward to.

You obviously are not one of those people, but thats you're problem. There's no need to call anybody lazy. Its a fucking business and it costs a lot of money for R&D for new systems. Why don't you put your money where your mouth is and donate towards the cause since you're so adamant about it.

Its a simple matter of supply and demand, but that might be too complicated for some people to understand.
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No it's a matter of milking the shit to obsolescence technology wise the 360 and the PS3 have been obsolete and antiquated for 3 years now.

technology has never been "cheap" it doesn't matter if its TVs..Video (VHS BETA DVD HDDVD BLURAY) Audio or whatever.. technology advances video games over the past decade have come to a screeching halt. People have the drive and motivation to get whats new and better and the features that come with the advances in technology.

How many times over the last 10 years have you replaced your cell phone? Id bet at least 4-6 times. did you need to replace it? nope.. that 10 year old phone still does great for voice and maybe even text..
but you wanted the newest and the flashiest phone with all the features..
what about your TV or your home theater.. I replace mine every few years with a bigger better more feature rich model to stay current as do alot of techy people I know.



Same thing applies here..
 
Macamus Prime said:
LOL,... it takes 2 to 3 years for developers to learn a new console to begin with.

Now, since you are willing to pay that much; sorry, it will not come from the console market. And if you feel the console market is "spoiling" your enjoyment of the games on the PC (because they get 'consolized' - I understand),... well, tough.

Unless you develop a feasible strategy to have custom console hardware be released every 3 years, make it profitable AND allow the developers to learn and release games with top notch graphics,... you'll just have to sit and fume over this.
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it has been done in the past.. only now that Microsoft and Sony are willing to sit around and milk things has this become the norm.
I know its hard for you young people to understand.. but us old people that have been around since Pong and every console till now the advancement in technology was MUCH faster till MS and Sony said 10 year cycles from now on.

Um in every other product you can imagine the dev cycles over lap... do you think that companies just sit around till end of product life and then worry about whats next?
no they should already be working on the products replacement when that product goes live. MS already does this with every other product they offer on the software side.

Sony does as well with their other hardware items.
 
I'm 32. I've been gaming since the Atari 2600.

And, I know my tastes (and budget) to know what I am capable of buying and enjoying. Graphics look great, but I do not care to spend hundreds of dollars on the latest and greatest systems and tech.

When HD TVs 1st came out, I refused to buy one. No matter how great it looked. I got my 1st one 3 weeks ago. A Samsung 46 inch, LED HD TV for $800 (Presidents Day sale) from Amazon.com. I waited and it was worth it, since gaming, up until then was "good enough".

I don't go beyond my means just for progressive purposes.

More power to you, if you do.
 
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