Indulge me: Would this work for Airline safety?

[Chaotic42]

To prevent another 9/11 attack:

-Have silent alarms in the cockpit that pilots can press quickly. The alarm notifies some central location, and has a signal for the flight (arrival time, location, etc)
-Have devices on the pilots that measure their heart rate. If it goes too high/low, send an alarm to the central location.
-Have cameras in the cockpit that are activated when either of the above alarms are set off. The camera streams video to said central location.

I was just thinking of this in the shower for some reason.

 

[minendo]

And then what happens after the alarm?

 

[FoBoT]

Originally posted by: minendo
And then what happens after the alarm?

yeah, how does this help? the terrorist can still plow into a building before a fighter can shoot it down (if they wait until the right moment)

give pilots pistols and train them to shoot the nads off terrorists from 50 ft

 

[shuan24]

Problems:
1. "central location" always know where the planes are anyways. Just because they're in the air doesnt mean that they're not being constantly tracked. Alarms are worthless.
2. How the hell can pilots sleep now?
3. again, how the hell can pilots sleep now?

 

[ndee]

Originally posted by: minendo
And then what happens after the alarm?

Shoot'em down with some F/A 18s or other Fighter Jets.

 

[PanzerIV]

Sounds like a good idea but as Minendo said, what then? Or was the warning all you schemed up so far?

 

[Chiropteran]

That sounds way too complicated. All we need to do is replace human pilots with AI.

 

[minendo]

Originally posted by: ndee

Originally posted by: minendo
And then what happens after the alarm?

Shoot'em down with some F/A 18s or other Fighter Jets.

What if the terrorists only goal was to land at another airport? Do we sacrifice 300+ lives?

 

[ndee]

Originally posted by: minendo

Originally posted by: ndee

Originally posted by: minendo
And then what happens after the alarm?

Shoot'em down with some F/A 18s or other Fighter Jets.

What if the terrorists only goal was to land at another airport? Do we sacrifice 300+ lives?

Of course. Homeland Security!



check your sarcasm meter.

 

[zimu]

Originally posted by: ndee

Originally posted by: minendo

Originally posted by: ndee

Originally posted by: minendo
And then what happens after the alarm?

Shoot'em down with some F/A 18s or other Fighter Jets.

What if the terrorists only goal was to land at another airport? Do we sacrifice 300+ lives?

Of course. Homeland Security!



check your sarcasm meter.

lol, mine's off the chart!

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: FoBoT

Originally posted by: minendo
And then what happens after the alarm?

yeah, how does this help? the terrorist can still plow into a building before a fighter can shoot it down (if they wait until the right moment)

You'd have to be very, very close to your target. If you figure 1 minute max to send the command to scramble, say, an F-16, plus 2 minutes for the pilot to be airborne. So that's 3 minutes. If the F-16 is carrying an AIM-120, which would take, say, 90 seconds to travel 40 miles, then you're looking at 4.5 minutes from button press to the plane being knocked out, assuming it's within a 40 mile radius of an airbase.

As far as the pilots sleeping, you'd obviously set the limit to well below minimum resting heart rate.

 

[Hammer]

auto destruct sequence!

 

[JoeKing]

I say we arm all of the passangers with guns, then what will the terrorist do with a plane full of strapped patriots?

 

[mugs]

I really don't think another 9/11 style attack will ever happen again. The passengers in the planes wouldn't let it happen. They did that time, because up until that point no one had ever intentionally flown a plane into a building. When the passengers on flight 97 found out what was going on in NY, they fought back. If they had fought back BEFORE the terrorists took the plane over, they wouldn't have crashed.

 

[GoodToGo]

i think there was a plan being implemented in which if the pilot presses the alarm button, the plane's controls transfer to another location (military base) and they guide a plane to whatever location that want. During that time, no one in the plane can do anything to regain control of it and so the hijacking is pretty much dead in the water. I am too lazy to search for the article.

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: Joeyman
I say we arm all of the passangers with guns, then what will the terrorist do with a plane full of strapped patriots?

I would actually be all for allowing concealed carry on planes/in airports.

Where else (besides Washington DC) are the bad guys absolutely guaranteed an unarmed, unresisting victim pool?

Viper GTS

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: GoodToGo
i think there was a plan being implemented in which if the pilot presses the alarm button, the plane's controls transfer to another location (military base) and they guide a plane to whatever location that want. During that time, no one in the plane can do anything to regain control of it and so the hijacking is pretty much dead in the water. I am too lazy to search for the article.

Sounds like a good idea. Kill the controls in the plane.

 

[GoodToGo]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: GoodToGo
i think there was a plan being implemented in which if the pilot presses the alarm button, the plane's controls transfer to another location (military base) and they guide a plane to whatever location that want. During that time, no one in the plane can do anything to regain control of it and so the hijacking is pretty much dead in the water. I am too lazy to search for the article.

Sounds like a good idea. Kill the controls in the plane.

Yup, though out of frustation, the terrorists could start killing everyone on the plane. Since this plan requires that no one be able to communicate with the people commandeering the plane, the terrorists could figure that this could be their way out.

 

[iamwiz82]

Originally posted by: minendo

Originally posted by: ndee

Originally posted by: minendo
And then what happens after the alarm?

Shoot'em down with some F/A 18s or other Fighter Jets.

What if the terrorists only goal was to land at another airport? Do we sacrifice 300+ lives?

True, but look at how many times more than half of the passengers died due to hijackings. Over half of all hijacked flights since the 70's resulted in greater than 50% loss of life. It's a no-win situation, but you have to see what these people are capable of. Prior to 9/11, no one would ever have thought a hijacker would crash a plane into a building, it just wasn't the MO, but times have changed.

 

[bootymac]

Originally posted by: GoodToGo
i think there was a plan being implemented in which if the pilot presses the alarm button, the plane's controls transfer to another location (military base) and they guide a plane to whatever location that want. During that time, no one in the plane can do anything to regain control of it and so the hijacking is pretty much dead in the water. I am too lazy to search for the article.

That's brilliant

 

[VictorLazlo]

The reason that terrorists succeded in the first place is because the passengers had hoped for a peaceful resolution to the hijack. They hoped that the terrorists would make some demands, and fly the plane to Sudan and everything would eventually work out.
Now the cat is out of the bag, and none of the passengers are going to let a few armed terrorists have their way.

 

[Chaotic42]

Originally posted by: GoodToGo
Yup, though out of frustation, the terrorists could start killing everyone on the plane. Since this plan requires that no one be able to communicate with the people commandeering the plane, the terrorists could figure that this could be their way out.

As morbid as it sounds, it's better that they kill everyone on the plane than run it into a nuclear power plant or a large building.

When I fly I'm carrying some pork juice in a spray bottle. I'll spray those bastards down before they kill me.

 

[GoodToGo]

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: GoodToGo
Yup, though out of frustation, the terrorists could start killing everyone on the plane. Since this plan requires that no one be able to communicate with the people commandeering the plane, the terrorists could figure that this could be their way out.

As morbid as it sounds, it's better that they kill everyone on the plane than run it into a nuclear power plant or a large building.

When I fly I'm carrying some pork juice in a spray bottle. I'll spray those bastards down before they kill me.

I see that you will go down fighting, hopefully next time some @sshole tries to hijack a plane, everyone will jump on him and he will actually have to be rescued :beer::beer:

 

[shuan24]

1. Better to lose 300 lives than 3000.
2. We dont even need pilots anymore, why do we have them?
3. What if terrorists knew how to reprogram the plane? Or worse, knew how to do it from a remote location?
4. Too many stupid idiots out there to allow civilians carry arms on a plane.

Ultimate solution:
Have 2 or 3 peace officers at all times on flights. Expensive, yes, but thats the price we pay for security.