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Viper1j

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There is SO much evidence that Drumpf and many in the GOP colluded with Russia for policy shifts in exchange for Russia helping them win the election (with the primary factor being the Weiner hoax).

https://twitter.com/LouiseMensch/status/858066910130438144

This being the most explosive. It may get reported in the MSM soon. It's extensive enough that through the line of succession, it may be Orrin Hatch. It's obvious Pence knew what Flynn was up to, for example.

Somebody needs to start a betting pool.

For most likely to be indicted, I want Don jr in the #1 spot, and Jared as #2.

Most likely to get a free pass, I want Iwanker across the board.
Cool Trump Arrest Montage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhD3I_AZJMY
 
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kage69

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Think Trump will go that quiet?

I think Trump will not be that calm. They are going to have to wheel him out like Hannibal Lecter. Face mask and all.

MAGA - Mueller Ain't Going Away

I like it. Might have to start putting that on signs and T-shirts.
 

Viper1j

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Did you notice the wall behind Comey at 0:42?
Manfort was sneaking in the garage when they got Jared too.
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MAGA - Mueller Ain't Going Away
 

Hugo Stiglitz

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Hate to be Debbie downer but this investigation will likely go deep into next year.

We will be lucky to get something from Mueller on obstruction by the end of this year but it appears the overall investigation still has a long way to go.

I expect Mueller to keep dropping indictments and it looks like we’re in the Julian Assange/Roger Stone chapter of the investigation.

All these guys are going to get hit with 18 USC 371 aka Conspiracy to Defraud the United States.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/371

With all the information in the public sphere, Trump’s words, behavior, tweets, and the obvious information missing regarding Trump’s finances, it’s reasonable to conclude Trump could be an unregistered foreign agent of the Russian Government, kinda like Flynn and Manafort were with regards to Turkey/Ukraine.

2019 should fun.
 
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Hate to be Debbie downer but this investigation will likely go deep into next year.

We will be lucky to get something from Mueller on obstruction by the end of this year but it appears the overall investigation still has a long way to go.

I expect Mueller to keep dropping indictments and it looks like we’re in the Julian Assange/Roger Stone chapter of the investigation.

All these guys are going to get hit with 18 USC 371 aka Conspiracy to Defraud the United States.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/371

With all the information in the public sphere, Trump’s words, behavior, tweets, and the obvious information missing regarding Trump’s finances, it’s reasonable to conclude Trump could be an unregistered foreign agent of the Russian Government, kinda like Flynn and Manafort were with regards to Turkey/Ukraine.

2019 should fun.

Holy Fuck, I never thought of that
 
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Hate to be Debbie downer but this investigation will likely go deep into next year.

We will be lucky to get something from Mueller on obstruction by the end of this year but it appears the overall investigation still has a long way to go.

I expect Mueller to keep dropping indictments and it looks like we’re in the Julian Assange/Roger Stone chapter of the investigation.

All these guys are going to get hit with 18 USC 371 aka Conspiracy to Defraud the United States.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/371

With all the information in the public sphere, Trump’s words, behavior, tweets, and the obvious information missing regarding Trump’s finances, it’s reasonable to conclude Trump could be an unregistered foreign agent of the Russian Government, kinda like Flynn and Manafort were with regards to Turkey/Ukraine.

2019 should fun.
I suspect with the election now getting closer we won’t see much during the 60 days leading up to it. No announcements of indictments anyway. No way this is done before the mid terms now.
 

Maxima1

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I suspect with the election now getting closer we won’t see much during the 60 days leading up to it. No announcements of indictments anyway. No way this is done before the mid terms now.

Why? Trump is already president, so what does it matter if it harms the Republicans?
 
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Why? Trump is already president, so what does it matter if it harms the Republicans?
It’s still about the appearance of not influencing elections. There’s been an established protocol upheld by the DOJ under both R and D which, although not written, has established a 60 day window before elections to not comment on investigations etc...

This was cited by the Clinton campaign repeatedly when Comey issued his memo just before the election.

https://www.law.columbia.edu/media_inquiries/news_events/2014/november2014/capi-conference-2014
 

Jhhnn

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It’s still about the appearance of not influencing elections. There’s been an established protocol upheld by the DOJ under both R and D which, although not written, has established a 60 day window before elections to not comment on investigations etc...

This was cited by the Clinton campaign repeatedly when Comey issued his memo just before the election.

https://www.law.columbia.edu/media_inquiries/news_events/2014/november2014/capi-conference-2014

It's alleged by some to be a protocol & I don't remember the Clinton campaign saying anything about it so give us a link.

I don't see indictments against non-candidates being withheld because of the election, either.
 
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Hugo Stiglitz

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Because the Mueller investigation is both a counterintelligence and criminal investigation, I think they are going to do a lot of sitting back and watching what Russia and other subjects of the investigation do during the midterms.

Confederates thinking they can get away with it again will be in for a big surprise.
 

Jhhnn

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https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...n-campaign-says-comey-letter-violates-justic/

It’s my opinion. The Mueller investigation directly relates to the Trump campaign which is why I don’t think they will do anything.
Thanks for the clarification. I kinda misread your original statement.

The DoJ didn't hesitate to drop the hammer on Collins but that's a little outside the window. Other than actual candidates, I figure Mueller will issue indictments when they're ready but ymmv.

The whole thing is very much in the headlines with the Manafort trials. The verdict in the second trial should come in Oct, just to remind everybody what kind of sleaze we're dealing with. And if Cohen isn't singing like a bird he probably will be soon. I'm sure there's a lot of other stuff going on behind the scenes we don't know about, too.

The obfuscations coming from Goodlatte, Nunes, Jordan & others indicate there's a lot of sweating going on over in Republican Land. Their attempt to fixate the news on the Steele memo & blah, blah, blah is highly amusing.
 

kage69

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Hate to be Debbie downer but this investigation will likely go deep into next year.

We will be lucky to get something from Mueller on obstruction by the end of this year but it appears the overall investigation still has a long way to go.

I expect Mueller to keep dropping indictments and it looks like we’re in the Julian Assange/Roger Stone chapter of the investigation.

All these guys are going to get hit with 18 USC 371 aka Conspiracy to Defraud the United States.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/371

With all the information in the public sphere, Trump’s words, behavior, tweets, and the obvious information missing regarding Trump’s finances, it’s reasonable to conclude Trump could be an unregistered foreign agent of the Russian Government, kinda like Flynn and Manafort were with regards to Turkey/Ukraine.

2019 should fun.


Bolded is what I respond with to people who regurgitate the "No collusion/collusion isn't a crime!" stuff. Mueller being done by the mid-terms was always a long shot. Watergate took 2 years, this seems to be magnitudes more complex and far-reaching. The good news is it might not matter much, I think sane people of this country are getting ready to say Enough. If it holds until the midterms and Dems take House, something tells me we'll see Trump live up to his established pussy cred and resign. He's as much of a tough guy as he is a negotiator.
 

Hugo Stiglitz

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Word on the street is Cohen is in the proffer process working on a plea deal. Of course that could fall apart at any time but it could take a while too.

I expect Cohen to play out like Flynn. Without warning, he will plea guilty to something in exchange for cooperation. My guess would be tax fraud.

If he wasn’t already dealing with prosecutors he would have likely already been indicted.
 

Commodus

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Word on the street is Cohen is in the proffer process working on a plea deal. Of course that could fall apart at any time but it could take a while too.

I expect Cohen to play out like Flynn. Without warning, he will plea guilty to something in exchange for cooperation. My guess would be tax fraud.

If he wasn’t already dealing with prosecutors he would have likely already been indicted.

Have a source for this? It seems likely given that Cohen could easily have faced indictment by now, but a link would be swell.
 
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It's alleged by some to be a protocol & I don't remember the Clinton campaign saying anything about it so give us a link.

I don't see indictments against non-candidates being withheld because of the election, either.

It has been reported in the news multiple times from multiple sources. I don’t think it’s a written policy, it’s just something everyone understands.
We don’t need Trump ordering an FBI investigation into his 2020 opponent
 

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I don't trust Cohen. I think he still regardless of what justice wants to serve him wishes to be in Trump's good graces and clear and present in his mind enough to win himself a pardon. I believe that is his preference no matter what he says publicly. There's a love /loyalty there between them that has a no-sense clause built in to it.

This morning he kind of defended Trump on the accusation by Omarosa that Trump eats paper. Trump re-tweeted Cohen's tweet. This after Giuliani said such harsh things about Cohen.

Cohen is no one to trust ever, by anyone. The end results with Cohen all hinges on the way the wind is blowing when the no-turning-back moment arrives. Even then it'll be a song and dance because he's a scoundrel and a traitor after all.