Indiana teachers shot

[DrDoug]

... with plastic pellets during active shooter training. They actually had teachers line up on their knees facing a chalkboard and opened fire on them with airguns. I really like the line the cops used; ‘This is what happens if you just cower and do nothing,' Some other choice cop lines:

- Sheriff: "It's a soft, round projectile," he said. "The key here is 'soft.'" and "It's a shooting exercise."

This shit is nuts. I'm pretty sure that the teachers already know what would happen to them if they did nothing so this part of the 'training' is fucking stupid and unnecessary.

Practice murders...lol! Only in America.

 

[Thebobo]

UFB. Thanks NRA.

 

[Paratus]

... with plastic pellets during active shooter training. They actually had teachers line up on their knees facing a chalkboard and opened fire on them with airguns. I really like the line the cops used; ‘This is what happens if you just cower and do nothing,' Some other choice cop lines:

- Sheriff: "It's a soft, round projectile," he said. "The key here is 'soft.'" and "It's a shooting exercise."

This shit is nuts. I'm pretty sure that the teachers already know what would happen to them if they did nothing so this part of the 'training' is fucking stupid and unnecessary.

Practice murders...lol! Only in America.

Looks like it’s time for this pic again

 

[UglyCasanova]

Insanity, people have gone off the deep end over this. They had a dr on NPR a few weeks back after a little girl wrote something on her arm to tell her parents because she thought there was a school shooting and she was going to die. I can’t remember what the details of the situation other than she was young. He made the point that yeah we hear about them but in totality these mass school shootings are still an exceedingly rare occurance but we instill so much fear in these kids that they go to school thinking they are going to die. That’s a product of hysteria amongst adults. School shootings happen but so do tornados, the country has to get a grip.

 

[TheVrolok]

Insanity, people have gone off the deep end over this. They had a dr on NPR a few weeks back after a little girl wrote something on her arm to tell her parents because she thought there was a school shooting and she was going to die. I can’t remember what the details of the situation other than she was young. He made the point that yeah we hear about them but in totality these mass school shootings are still an exceedingly rare occurance but we instill so much fear in these kids that they go to school thinking they are going to die. That’s a product of hysteria amongst adults. School shootings happen but so do tornados, the country has to get a grip.

Comparing natural disasters to school shootings. Holy fuck.

 

[vi edit]

Comparing natural disasters to school shootings. Holy fuck.

Yeah. Tornado drills are preparing for an act of god. Active shooter drills, which my kids practice several times a year are from an act of terror. TOTALLY THE SAME THING.

Fuck him. I live in Kentucky. We had several kids shot last year. The high school 5 minutes from my house and the one my kids would go to had a kid get caught with an AR-15 and a couple hundred rounds of ammo and a shit list. It's rare. Until it isn't.

 

[DrDoug]

the country has to get a grip.

It has... mostly on their guns. That's why we need moar guns to solve the problem. And if that doesn't work, moar guns until the problem is solved.

If you think about it the 2nd Amendment, as interpreted in this day and age, is viewed as way of giving people the constitutional right to deny a fellow American their right to pursue a life of liberty and happiness.

 

[jackstar7]

Insanity, people have gone off the deep end over this. They had a dr on NPR a few weeks back after a little girl wrote something on her arm to tell her parents because she thought there was a school shooting and she was going to die. I can’t remember what the details of the situation other than she was young. He made the point that yeah we hear about them but in totality these mass school shootings are still an exceedingly rare occurance but we instill so much fear in these kids that they go to school thinking they are going to die. That’s a product of hysteria amongst adults. School shootings happen but so do tornados, the country has to get a grip.

You also have tornado drills. Man, you are a dumbnuts.

I actually think the shooter drills need to stop, but I think we have to get rid of the guns first.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Comparing natural disasters to school shootings. Holy fuck.

Yeah. Tornado drills are preparing for an act of god. Active shooter drills, which my kids practice several times a year are from an act of terror. TOTALLY THE SAME THING.

Fuck him. I live in Kentucky. We had several kids shot last year. The high school 5 minutes from my house and the one my kids would go to had a kid get caught with an AR-15 and a couple hundred rounds of ammo and a shit list. It's rare. Until it isn't.

It has... mostly on their guns. That's why we need moar guns to solve the problem. And if that doesn't work, moar guns until the problem is solved.

If you think about it the 2nd Amendment, as interpreted in this day and age, is viewed as way of giving people the constitutional right to deny a fellow American their right to pursue a life of liberty and happiness.

You also have tornado drills. Man, you are a dumbnuts.

I actually think the shooter drills need to stop, but I think we have to get rid of the guns first.

Guys, guys, guys, this is uc, he's knows his shit, he cares, and deeply
And really only More than 223,000 students have experienced gun violence at school since Columbine, that's barely a large city's worth of humans
So get your panties out of a wad and realize that nra > children, always.
And comparing prep for natural disasters vs that of a deranged psychopath is totally on point, and in no way a vacuous attempt to whatabout the fuck out of it.
Gotta remember that uc game, and his deep, deep concern. T's & P's, motherfuckers, T'a and motherfucking P's, that's how you address gun violence.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Yeah. Tornado drills are preparing for an act of god. Active shooter drills, which my kids practice several times a year are from an act of terror. TOTALLY THE SAME THING.

Fuck him. I live in Kentucky. We had several kids shot last year. The high school 5 minutes from my house and the one my kids would go to had a kid get caught with an AR-15 and a couple hundred rounds of ammo and a shit list. It's rare. Until it isn't.

I lived in Oklahoma and we had tornado drills and we had tornadoes. I never went to school thinking I’m going to die though and that’s because there wasn’t mass hysteria about it.

A kid Shooting up a school is a risk but it’s a small one. It makes headlines for obvious reasons but the reality is in the grand scheme of things the risk is still very small. Kids should not be constant worried they are going to die because of a school shooting, that fear is overblown and the result of adults (especially school admins) having an outside response and instilling that fear in the kids.

Do school shoootings happen? Yes. Should kids be worried about it when they go to school? Not really, no. Certainly not to the degree that some do.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Found it, good article explaining the risk and the anxiety that the public overreaction precipitates. We are turning our schools into these cold fortresses that promote this feeling of danger and doom and the reality is the response isn’t justified. Not proportionally.

https://www.npr.org/2018/03/15/5938...n-perceived-danger-in-u-s-schools-and-reality

"Schools are safer today than they had been in previous decades," says James Alan Fox, a professor of criminology at Northeastern University who has studied the phenomenon of mass murder since the 1980s.

Fox and doctoral student Emma Fridel crunched the numbers, and the results should come as a relief to parents.

First, while multiple-victim shootings in general are on the rise, that's not the case in schools. There's an average of about one a year — in a country with more than 100,000 schools

..
Other experts agree. Garen Wintemute is an emergency room physician who leads a prominent gun violence research program at the University of California, Davis. He says school shootings, specifically, are not epidemic.

"Schools are just about the safest place in the world for kids to be," Wintemute says. "Although each one of them is horrific and rivets the entire nation for a period of time, mass shootings at schools are really very uncommon, and they are not increasing in frequency. What's changed is how aware we are of them."

 

[DrDoug]

Fox and doctoral student Emma Fridel crunched the numbers, and the results should come as a relief to parents.

You ought to get to work telling everyone that they are overreacting and need to calm down, we have lots of guns and good people are bringing them to their schools to make them feel safer in their classrooms. Be sure to take time and assure every single kid that it's unlikely that they will ever get shot while attending school because it's likely that kids in other schools will absorb some bullets for them.

Maybe you can recommend courses in statistics to six year old kids to get your point across.

 

[UglyCasanova]

You ought to get to work telling everyone that they are overreacting and need to calm down, we have lots of guns and good people are bringing them to their schools to make them feel safer in their classrooms. Be sure to take time and assure every single kid that it's unlikely that they will ever get shot while attending school because it's likely that kids in other schools will absorb some bullets for them.

Maybe you can recommend courses in statistics to six year old kids to get your point across.

Or maybe adults like yourself could chill the frick out and stop scaring them about something that has an extremely low probability of happening to them.

 

[DrDoug]

Or maybe adults like yourself could chill the frick out and stop scaring them about something that has an extremely low probability of happening to them.

My kids are adults and they don't have kids, so we've dodged having to deal with that bullet. Today's kids don't have that luxury because of people like yourself. Instead of trying to blame me for people and their kids being scared, how about assholes like you go tell kids that gun ownership in America means that it is possible that they could die but that it's totally worth it because their sacrifice means FREEDUMB for gun owners in America.

You know, be honest and tell them the truth about this.

 

[Paratus]

Yeah. Tornado drills are preparing for an act of god. Active shooter drills, which my kids practice several times a year are from an act of terror. TOTALLY THE SAME THING.

Fuck him. I live in Kentucky. We had several kids shot last year. The high school 5 minutes from my house and the one my kids would go to had a kid get caught with an AR-15 and a couple hundred rounds of ammo and a shit list. It's rare. Until it isn't.

The Monday after the high school shooting in Santa Fe Texas last year a kid brought a hand gun to my daughters school. (A year or two ago he told my daughter she needed to be home doing his laundry - nice kid)

 

[Paratus]

Insanity, people have gone off the deep end over this. They had a dr on NPR a few weeks back after a little girl wrote something on her arm to tell her parents because she thought there was a school shooting and she was going to die. I can’t remember what the details of the situation other than she was young. He made the point that yeah we hear about them but in totality these mass school shootings are still an exceedingly rare occurance but we instill so much fear in these kids that they go to school thinking they are going to die. That’s a product of hysteria amongst adults. School shootings happen but so do tornados, the country has to get a grip.

What are you getting upset about here? There are costs to freedom. School shooting while rare, happen.

If it was a hazard in a risk analysis it would be considered a low probability catastrophic risk. Low probability catastrophic risks still require actions to mitigate.

Can’t take away guns so schools must be hardened. That means kids and teachers doing training to prepare to be shot at in school. So kids are going to know there are people out there with guns who may shoot them. And they will be reminded of that a couple of times a year for 13 years.

Little kids having nightmares about being shot is a small price to pay for the freedom of increasing a gun owners risk of being shot and suicide.

 

[pmv]

Found it, good article explaining the risk and the anxiety that the public overreaction precipitates. We are turning our schools into these cold fortresses that promote this feeling of danger and doom and the reality is the response isn’t justified. Not proportionally.

https://www.npr.org/2018/03/15/5938...n-perceived-danger-in-u-s-schools-and-reality

"Schools are safer today than they had been in previous decades," says James Alan Fox, a professor of criminology at Northeastern University who has studied the phenomenon of mass murder since the 1980s.

Fox and doctoral student Emma Fridel crunched the numbers, and the results should come as a relief to parents.

First, while multiple-victim shootings in general are on the rise, that's not the case in schools. There's an average of about one a year — in a country with more than 100,000 schools

..
Other experts agree. Garen Wintemute is an emergency room physician who leads a prominent gun violence research program at the University of California, Davis. He says school shootings, specifically, are not epidemic.

"Schools are just about the safest place in the world for kids to be," Wintemute says. "Although each one of them is horrific and rivets the entire nation for a period of time, mass shootings at schools are really very uncommon, and they are not increasing in frequency. What's changed is how aware we are of them."

I find that linked PhD student article surreal. To me it just seems bizarre, to so calmly plot such numbers and declare "its all fine because the total number of fatal shootings in schools shows a slight - and statistically weak - downward trend since the 90s".

Firstly, the 90s were not very long ago - that's the extended present as far as I'm concerned, that's "the contemporary US" not a long-term trend comparing with distant history. And just looking at the graphs there seems to show it's not a very consistent trend-line (2012 was comparable to the 90s - not sure how much of that was Sandy Hook on it's own). The point is that people have been expressing horror and shock at school shootings in the US since the 90s. Being horrified at it is not a new thing, so telling us again it's been going on since the '90s, and was slightly worse then, seems to me to miss the point (and seems to suggest Ms Fridel is quite young!)

Secondly it's a commonplace that violent crime in general peaked across the developed world in the '90s and has declined globally since. There's clearly another factor involved there.

Thirdly, in a normal country the numbers would be zero.



Clearly the absolute risk for any given student is very small. It probably is irrational for a parent to worry over-much about their own child. But that Fridel article still seems to be putting quite a complacent spin on the figures.

 

[TheVrolok]

Or maybe adults like yourself could chill the frick out and stop scaring them about something that has an extremely low probability of happening to them.

The right's bread and butter is stoking fear over things that are incredibly unlikely to happen. Seems a challenge to selectively call for "chilling out."


Not to once again mention the absurdity of comparing natural disaster preparedness to school shootings.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Good shoot. I love some libtards tears. Delicious.

 

[Exterous]

I have mixed feelings about the type of trainings offered. On one hand I have seen first hand how a large group of people suddenly forget any training they had from a calm, structured class. But on the other hand I have seen how over reactive people seem to be now. For the first several years working here no one at my company had been caught in a false (or real thankfully) shooter alarm. In the past two years there have been several. One was from a pallet being dropped suddenly. Another was from balloons being popped. I don't think we ever heard what the other two false alarms were from.

 

[pete6032]

Or maybe adults like yourself could chill the frick out and stop scaring them about something that has an extremely low probability of happening to them.

Just curious, in your opinion, how many people on average need to die in mass school shootings before we should be worried about it?

 

[UglyCasanova]

Just curious, in your opinion, how many people on average need to die in mass school shootings before we should be worried about it?

I’m not saying not to be worried, but have that be measured and proportional and not let that turn to hysteria and spread to fear of your kids that they’re going to die at school. Amazingly a lot of you are making similar arguments as mine regarding the border.

 

[vi edit]

I’m not saying not to be worried, but have that be measured and proportional and not let that turn to hysteria and spread to fear of your kids that they’re going to die at school. Amazingly a lot of you are making similar arguments as mine regarding the border.

Amazingly most of us opposed to the border wall are advocating for policy and targeted use of technology at places where it makes sense (points of entry). Sort of like a lot of us are also asking for policy changes to work towards better prevention to access of firearms by certain individuals and under certain circumstances(age restrictions, better background checks, ect).

Of course you could subscribe to the the "Thoughts and Prayers" school of thought regarding the border. If it's good enough for shootings it's good enough for border security.

 

[DrDoug]

but have that be measured and proportional and not let that turn to hysteria and spread to fear of your kids that they’re going to die at school.

How are children supposed to feel when they see the adults at their schools are training for the day that someone comes to their school and opens fire on them? What about the active shooter drills so they know what to do when shit hits the fan? They KNOW what is happening at their schools and here you are wanting KIDS to think calmly and rationally about the possibility of being killed. Do you even understand kids and how they talk about stuff like this? Your 'answers' here are like those of an adult who has absolutely no experience with children. These kids are right to be scared and you are the asshole for thinking that they need to stop being kids and start thinking like adults so gun owners don't have to worry about losing their toys.

Go fornicate yourself with a well-rusted pointy farm implement.

 

[hal2kilo]

Nothing better than allowing people with literally no education in psychology pull their institutionalized psychotic fantasies, guised as training. Mental illness is rampant in this country.