Indian Users

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: andy04

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: andy04

Originally posted by: Descartes
Indian people are some of the most passive and kind people in the world, imo. It's safe to assume that if you're offended, you misunderstood what they were trying to say.

The converse is also true. They will often misunderstand what Americans mean to say, and will often be offended whether they show it or not.

Agreed, they will always say yes, regardless of if they understood you or not... or even if they can do it or not...

I'm guessing you won't agree with me when you read my previous response to your post

But yes, a lot of times they will say yes regardless of whether they understand, but it's due largely to the desire to please. Guests, business or personal, are honored in a way that most Americans can't really relate. The level of accommodation they'll go to to make sure you're comfortable sometimes seems excessive, but it's part of the culture.

I dont want to be a snob... but it has nothing to do with culture... they are just insecure... they get a quick training in something and are sent to work as an expert... then they will work like theres no tomorrow to save their rear ends... this diminishes their self respect... they have created a "Blue Collar" job section in IT

I understand the spirit of what you're trying to say, trust me, but the way you're articulating it comes off as antagonistic.

India has some "finishing" issues in IT, no doubt. This is no secret, and it's a widely acknowledged problem in the major IT hubs in India.

Fortunately or unfortunately, depending on your perspective, it doesn't matter; business will choose a commodity that reduces costs even if only over the short term. Companies where IT is an expense only will often look to lowering costs of resources, not increasing quality of resources.

And really, IT has always been blue collar in the sense you're describing. We really shouldn't try to elevate it any more than that. We're all hands-on tradesman, educated through years of apprenticeship in the hopes of being a master. Thinking that wrapping a computer science (or whatever) education around it suddenly elevates it is disingenuous, in my opinion and the Indian IT community has more than capitalized on that.

Americans have to compete at a different level, and many do. But associating any blame with a demographic of people that have capitalized on opportunities is just sour grapes, imo.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: guyver01
ok.. guess i am offbase..

i just saw it like someone else saying "Look into this and make it snappy"

i'd find that rude if someone said that

well you've wasted enough time here asking about it

 

[Scarpozzi]

You should be doing the needful and stop posting.

 

[jai6638]

Nope.. Not rude at all.. Thats how the Indians write and the "Please" in the statement is their way of ensuring that it doesn't come across as rude. My dad always write "Please do the needful and oblige."

Its based on the British style and can be seen in India and the Middle East. I'd consider it rude if the person said "do the needful!"

Cheers

 

[CrazyLazy]

From frequenting other forums with a high population of Indian users I only find it annoying if they obviously put no effort into writing a sentence. If they capitalized stuff and didn't use AIM speak I will do my best to accommodate the language barrier. For some reason they always address people as"friends" even when it obviously doesn't make sense.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: StormRider

Originally posted by: skyking
Just another example of english being the language of international industry, and us native speakers expecting perfection.
I made an inquiry about a software product out of Germany. A doctor over there replied with:
"Thank you for your request. Joe Blow will contact you shortly to
discuss your demands."

I understood what he meant, but felt compelled to offer this:

"Hello Ralph,
I thought you could use a little clarification on english usage. This is meant to be friendly advice, nothing more.
When using 'demands' in a sentence like the one you made, it implies a confrontational or adversarial relationship, like a lawyer suing someone.
A better word in this case would be 'requirements'.
"Joe Blow will contact you shortly to discuss your requirements."

Thank you and I look forward to hearing from Joe.
sincerely,"

If I were German I would have found that reply to be rude -- like you were talking down to me as if I were a dummy.

You probably just said this to be funny, but if you really were German, you'd more than likely appreciate the tip. Germans are thorough, and they appreciate thoroughness. They esteem knowledge. They might now even recognize it if you were trying to one-up them.

Their basic culture is pretty straightforward, sometimes brutally so. You can see a glimpse of that in that German doctor's use of "demands" for "requirements". They simply don't get easily butt-hurt over "shades " and "nuances."

They have traditionally had far less use for, and even little natural understanding of, traditional "English" politesse. No euphemisms or elaborately polite, round-about ways of saying things for them.

If they know something useful or germane that you don't, they will simply and directly tell you. They expect and appreciate the same in return.

Skyking was correct and helpful in his response. Just saying.

 

[jai6638]

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy
From frequenting other forums with a high population of Indian users I only find it annoying if they obviously put no effort into writing a sentence. If they capitalized stuff and didn't use AIM speak I will do my best to accommodate the language barrier. For some reason they always address people as"friends" even when it obviously doesn't make sense.

haha.. I've noticed that recently and I think its only restricted to the younger generation. Its kinda stupid but there's not much one can do about it. Its hard to generalize.. Never noticed the "friends" part though...

 

[markgm]

Originally posted by: meltdown75
I agree, it is very rude to use Indians.

 

[MagicConch]

Originally posted by: Scarpozzi
You should be doing the needful and stop posting.

You forgot to add the please at the beginning of the sentence

 

[Cable God]

DO THE NEEDFUL!!!

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

Originally posted by: Descartes
Indian people are some of the most passive and kind people in the world, imo. It's safe to assume that if you're offended, you misunderstood what they were trying to say.

The converse is also true. They will often misunderstand what Americans mean to say, and will often be offended whether they show it or not.

the ones at my local gas station as rude as pricks. and the cab drivers in nyc as well.

however, some others i've worked with are extremely kind. obviously one can name examples on both ends of the spectrum.

 

[slag]

i, too, work in IT and see the same kind of emails. The last one though I know was a cultural barrier when he said "Snap to it, fuck face, or I'll snip off your nutsack".

Its just one of the nuances of a multicultural world I guess.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!!

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: CrazyLazy
From frequenting other forums with a high population of Indian users I only find it annoying if they obviously put no effort into writing a sentence. If they capitalized stuff and didn't use AIM speak I will do my best to accommodate the language barrier. For some reason they always address people as"friends" even when it obviously doesn't make sense.

"I'm not your friend, buddy!"

 

[SphinxnihpS]

I'm not your buddy, chum.

 

[rudder]

This thread is rude.

 

[grrl]

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