Indian Prime Minister Against Raising Indian Flag in India!

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India just concluded its Republic Day on Jan. 26th, 2011.

It is a yearly spectacle where India's military puts up a spectacular show for the citizens of India. The Republic Day is a day of immense pride for (most) Indians. It is supposed to unite Indians across all states, cultures, religions, and tendencies to remind them that India, that is Bharat, is a republic and the largest democracy in the world.

One would think the government of any country would be more than proud during such an occasion. Not India! At least, not the government that is currently in power.

The main opposition party in India, known as the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), planned to unfurl the national flag of India in Srinagar, Kashmir, India. National flags, affectionately referred to as the "tricolour", is the symbol of India and is actually defined as follows in the Flag Code of India:

The Indian National Flag represents the hopes and aspirations of the people of India. It is the symbol of our national pride. Over the last five decades, several people including members of armed forces have ungrudgingly laid down their lives to keep the tricolour flying in its full glory.

Omar Abdullah, the Chief Minister (similar to governor) of Jammu & Kashmir (the official name of the STATE OF INDIA), "warned" the BJP advising them NOT to do such a thing as it "may" upset the separatist scumbags, who are all Islamic Muslim terrorists sponsored by Pakistan with the aid of China and US money! This is an elected official of a state of India "warning" fellow citizens from raising the national flag in their own country! Such is the situation of India today.

The BJP decided to go ahead with the unfurling of the flag despite the "warning" and suddenly, the leader of the nation, Manmohan Singh, the Prime Minister, gives a speech dissuading the BJP from doing so! A leader of a nation telling his citizens NOT to raise the nation's flag in their own country is the epitome of calamitous statecraft.

Link: http://www.indianexpress.com/news/bjp-attacks-pm-statement-on-flag-hoisting-at/741168/

And, the Indian media, at least all the English speaking ones, are funded by foreigners and anti-Indian people both in and outside of India. They are all marxists who despise anything traditionally Indian, that is Hindus, Hinduism, and any offshoot thereof. They are the ultimate minority appeasers and not a single article reprimanding the PM was written! As you can see, the article linked above is insidiously titled "BJP 'attacks' PM" so one can easily guess the agenda.

Not only did the BJP not raise the national flag at Lal Chowk ('downtown' Srinagar), the BJP leaders were arrested by INDIAN POLICE on the command of Omar Abdullah, the CM of Jammu & Kashmir. It is an astonishing act of temerity, insanity, and defiance to not allow the citizens of a country to unfurl the national flag in their own country!

Interestingly, during the Eid celebrations last year (Eid is a Muslim festival), at the very same place, there were hundreds of radical Islamists who railed against India and had the audacity to unfurl the Pakistani flag!

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Not a peep from Omar Abdullah about that! Not a peep from the media about that! Of course, for them, it is an expression of "freedom" and since they are a minority, they can do whatever they please. :rolleyes:

I was in shock when I heard about this incident two weeks ago. I fail to find words to describe how appalling this is; a national figurehead suggesting against raising the national flag in their own country!

I fear the years ahead with respect to India. The ultimate 'head-in-the-sand' attitude and eunuch like behavior towards violent terrorists will never lead to peace, just self-annihilation.

Many of you might say, "I don't care" but you should! India, like the US, is a liberal democracy and stands for freedom and always has, long before the advent of the marauding Muslims from Arabia and the thieving British a few centuries ago.

In fact, the liberals in India are infinitely worse than the liberals in the US. They loathe India. They loathe everything Indian. They loathe Hinduism. They loathe Hindus. They are of the opinion that Hindus are absolutely expendable (read Mumbai terrorist attack in 2008), while a member of a minority, even if he/she is a terrorist and vociferously supports secession from the republic, is a "victim" and should be protected at all costs, even at the expense of Indian Army personnel.

I will explain more about the situation in Kashmir later on but you can see from the following images of the "peaceful protesters" that the "EVIL" Indian Army are shooting at! :rolleyes:

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As you can tell, the "peaceful" protesters are anything but. News media around the world rallied behind these terrorists and lambasted the Indian Army and still continue to do so.

These "protesters" have burnt, destroyed, and demolished entire police stations and train stations and they expect the police to sit down with them for coffee.

The media nexus around the world is so anti-Indian that not a single piece about this ridiculous speech by PM Manmohan Singh was covered; they obviously knew how absurd it was!

More on Kashmir to come...
 
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HamburgerBoy

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Is the guy in the last picture (center-right, red face covering, white hat) aiming a sniper-rock at the cameraman? o_O
 

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India is a sham of a democracy. The Indian occupation of Kashmir is illegal. India refuses to bring this issue to the U.N and it refuses to hold a referendum. The OP's post clearly suggests that the oppressed people of Indian occupied Kashmir want to join Pakistan.
 

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India is a sham of a democracy. The Indian occupation of Kashmir is illegal. India refuses to bring this issue to the U.N and it refuses to hold a referendum. The OP's post clearly suggests that the oppressed people of Indian occupied Kashmir want to join Pakistan.

why? pakistan needs more room for terrorist training camps?
 

Jaskalas

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Not entirely sure what to make of this, after jumping to earlier conclusions.

Was the PM simply scared into cowardice, or is he himself in opposition to it?
 
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I hope they ban you first.

I am pretty sure he is referring to himself, I mean if this isn't trolling ...

TheGreenMoonbeam said:
India is a sham of a democracy. The Indian occupation of Kashmir is illegal. India refuses to bring this issue to the U.N and it refuses to hold a referendum. The OP's post clearly suggests that the oppressed people of Indian occupied Kashmir want to join Pakistan.

...than nothing is.
 

techs

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I thought the Indians were well taken care of. What with casinos and all.
 

KMFJD

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India is a sham of a democracy. The Indian occupation of Kashmir is illegal. India refuses to bring this issue to the U.N and it refuses to hold a referendum. The OP's post clearly suggests that the oppressed people of Indian occupied Kashmir want to join Pakistan.

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coming from Pakistan that's rich.....
 

Baasha

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India is a sham of a democracy. The Indian occupation of Kashmir is illegal. India refuses to bring this issue to the U.N and it refuses to hold a referendum. The OP's post clearly suggests that the oppressed people of Indian occupied Kashmir want to join Pakistan.

Says the Pakistani whose land was once India's! :rolleyes:

Before pointing the finger, fix your failed state first and learn to export something other than terrorism.

And, just 2% of Kashmiris (all terrorists sponsored by Pakistan) want to join Pakistan (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...nt-to-join-Pak-Survey/articleshow/5982710.cms) so keep your BS to yourself.

India will never give up another inch of Kashmir. Kashmir was, is, and always will be an integral part of India. That is, without a semblance of doubt, fact!

Too bad Pakistan and China have illegally occupied parts of Kashmir.
 

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lol, if there was ever a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

In any case, OP, why would you believe that the US is behind muslim terrorists in taking over India? Or is it just convenient to blame US for your problems?
 

werepossum

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Is the guy in the last picture (center-right, red face covering, white hat) aiming a sniper-rock at the cameraman? o_O
LMAO! Not everyone can figure out rocks on the first try.

Man, this thread should be epic with The Green Bean already weighing in. Have to admit though I can't see any reasonable reason why flying your own country's flag should ever be illegal.
 

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In any case, OP, why would you believe that the US is behind muslim terrorists in taking over India? Or is it just convenient to blame US for your problems?

LOL blaming US for everything seems to be the trend these days. The truth is, ISI.. instead of using the funds given by the US to fight the extremists.. diverts some portion of it to train and organize terrorist camps in POK to destabilize India(LET being the major one in that region). Major part of the funding to separatist groups in Kashmir comes from the ISI.
 

The Green Bean

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Says the Pakistani whose land was once India's! :rolleyes:

Before pointing the finger, fix your failed state first and learn to export something other than terrorism.

What's in a name? It could be said that India was a part of Pakistan rather than the other way around. After all Muslims ruled India before the British and India is NOT an Islamic state. Besides, the only thing in modern India that resembles pre-British India is the name.

If Pakistan is a failed state then India is a "failer" state. So what part of India hasn't failed? Is it the corruption? the poverty? the illiteracy? the separatists movements?

And, just 2% of Kashmiris (all terrorists sponsored by Pakistan) want to join Pakistan (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...nt-to-join-Pak-Survey/articleshow/5982710.cms) so keep your BS to yourself.

India will never give up another inch of Kashmir. Kashmir was, is, and always will be an integral part of India. That is, without a semblance of doubt, fact!

The Times of India is a propaganda tool. It won't sell if it doesn't publish anti-Pakistani material on a daily basis. If anyone has a doubt, he or she should visit their webpage and look at the bias. If their report was true then why is India so scared of holding a referendum? Why is it avoiding international norms and laws? The TOI report doesn't even give a source for the "2%" instead wavering off towards other reports which are not related to this "2%" Classical propaganda.

The Kashmiri people have a right to self-determination and the wishes of the people should be respected.

Too bad Pakistan and China have illegally occupied parts of Kashmir.

Actually India's occupation is illegal. Ask any international court. But India knows it will lose so it's scared to bring this issue on the international table.
 
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The Green Bean

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LOL blaming US for everything seems to be the trend these days. The truth is, ISI.. instead of using the funds given by the US to fight the extremists.. diverts some portion of it to train and organize terrorist camps in POK to destabilize India(LET being the major one in that region). Major part of the funding to separatist groups in Kashmir comes from the ISI.

Source of this "truth"?
 

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I can't see any reasonable reason why flying your own country's flag should ever be illegal.

There has been many instances where it has been made illegal to fly the U.S. Flag here in the U.S. and more instances popping up everyday.

The soldier who was told to not fly the flag at his home.

The student told not to fly his flag on his bicycle are just recent examples.
 

Baasha

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lol, if there was ever a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

In any case, OP, why would you believe that the US is behind muslim terrorists in taking over India? Or is it just convenient to blame US for your problems?

The US is not "behind" Pakistani terrorists per se. Just like the Saudis and the Pakistani ISI are not "behind" support of the Taliban and other Islamists. :rolleyes:

The US has been funding the Pakistani ISI (their CIA) for 5 decades and still continue to do so. The ISI has been proven to give support, abet, and even provide funding and arms to Islamist terrorists, hellbent on attacking India, since its inception in 1948 (a year after Pakistan was created). After the 1947 Indo-Pakistan war, Pakistan illegally occupied 1/3rd of northern Kashmir and then ceded half of it, that is, India's territory, to China.

A second conflict arose in 1965 which ended in a UN-mandated ceasefire and then a third conflict in which India decimated Pakistan and won Bangladeshis (Bangladesh used to be East Pakistan) their freedom. India intervened on Bangladesh's behalf and defeated Pakistan in just FOUR DAYS! Bangladeshis won their independence and never looked back.

This shattering blow to Pakistan (their newly formed nation partitioned) further inflamed the Pakistanis. The general-dictator, Zia Ul-Haq, whom the US shamelessly supported with arms deals, billions of dollars in funding, and more diplomatic aid, is the fundamental cause behind over-Islamization of Pakistan. Why, even now the US shamelessly gives billions of dollars to Pakistan despite knowing the FACT that their ISI helps and trains not only the anti-Indian terrorists like Lashkar-e-Taiba, but also anti-American ones like Taliban etc.

There was a fourth conflict in 1999 called the Kargil war and Pakistan was again demolished by the Indian military. Interestingly, the general of the Indian Army to lead the charge against Pakistan was a Muslim!

When having so many hostile neighbors who are either Islamists or communists, how dare the US and UK among other countries say India should "temper" its response to any terrorism against its people? How dare the US & UK among other nations like Japan say India should not have detonated the nuclear weapons in 1974 and 1998? They even had the temerity to impose sanctions on India! India, among all other nations, NEEDS nukes. With land-grabbing neighbors like Pakistan and China, apart from other dictatorial regimes like Myanmar and now-communist Nepal as well as anti-Indian Sri Lanka, India's military needs to be strong and the government needs to be strong-willed to protect her people at whatever cost. Too bad the current regime makes Barack Obama look like a despot! The current Indian regime, even after the blatant and brazen terrorist attack on Mumbai in 2008 (by Pakistani terrorists), didn't even cut off diplomatic ties with Pakistan!

Every year, there are numerous cases of Cease-Fire violations by Pakistani military personnel and have resulted in the deaths of 10s of Indian soldiers. India merely "returns fire" because the current government in power, that is, Manmohan Singh & Sonia Gandhi, tie the hands of the Indian military behind their backs. Even the Chinese military regularly crosses the McMahon Line (border between India & China) and justify it stating that their "version" of the McMahon Line is different! After all, what can you expect from people who think they are at the center of the universe (Beijing means exactly that!).

So as long as the US and other so-called "first-world" nations support Pakistan and China (through funds and especially military aid) and consequently their anti-Indian agenda, they should not only be "blamed", they should be reprimanded in the UN in the world stage! Of course, we all know that will never happen as the UN is simply a puppet of the US.

It is well-known that the rebel nuclear scientist from Pakistan, AQ Khan, supplied nuclear secrets to North Korea and Iran. All the while US has been supporting Pakistan.

Your question of blame is obtuse. It would be like asking, "Why do you blame the Saudis/Pakistanis (especially ISI) for supporting the Taliban?" Well, the answer is simple! They are killing US soldiers. Likewise, the Pakistani military and their terrorists are killing Indians and the US is providing them funds. If you can't connect the dots, I rest my case.
 

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What's in a name? It could be said that India was a part of Pakistan rather than the other way around. After all Muslims ruled India before the British and India is NOT an Islamic state. Besides, the only thing in modern India that resembles pre-British India is the name.

Except that statement can never be made. Remember, it was partition of INDIA, not Pakistan. Pakistan didn't exist before 1947. Sorry to burst your bubble. Of course, that's probably not what they teach you in Pakistan however the truth cannot be altered.

And, if you think modern India doesn't resemble pre-British India, well, LOL.. I guess you have seen only the Bollywood idiots and other vacuous representations of Indian "culture".

Of course, I'm from a very traditional Brahmin family. My definition of Indian culture is far-removed from that of so-called "modern" Indians who have no loyalty neither to their family nor to their country. And, do you realize that your ancestors were Indians (culturally) and Hindu/Buddhist (religiously) and were converted by force? What is it that makes you spit on your ancestors' memories? One of the debts we have to pay when we take birth is to our ancestors and their wellbeing. Of course, this is part of Indian culture so I'm sure you don't care two hoots about that. Yet, I don't think even Muslims would disrespect their ancestors so much. Must be a Pakistani conundrum eh?

If Pakistan is a failed state then India is a "failer" state. So what part of India hasn't failed? Is it the corruption? the poverty? the illiteracy? the separatists movements?

You must truly be joking! No wait, you're Pakistani! There is plenty of poverty, illiteracy, and corruption in India. Yet, there is a lot of development, economic and otherwise, as well. How many billionaires does Pakistan have? How many Nobel Laureates? Of course, that is not a standard of measurement of progress per se, but for us Asians to get recognized by the incredibly racist Nobel committee is no small task. The separatist movements in India are ALL supported by Pakistan and China. Hence, the border "issues". The Chinese supply arms and funds through Nepal and Assam while Pakistan supports separatists in Kashmir.


The Times of India is a propaganda tool. It won't sell if it doesn't publish anti-Pakistani material on a daily basis. If anyone has a doubt, he or she should visit their webpage and look at the bias. If their report was true then why is India so scared of holding a referendum? Why is it avoiding international norms and laws? The TOI report doesn't even give a source for the "2%" instead wavering off towards other reports which are not related to this "2%" Classical propaganda.

The TOI is a garbage news source because it is so anti-Indian and anti-Hindu. They, along with toilet paper like CNN-IBN, Tehelka, NDTV etc. are all funded by christian fanatics from abroad or muslim fanatics both in and out of India. Of course, there are communists who fund them too.

The Kashmiri people have a right to self-determination and the wishes of the people should be respected.

The Kashmiris have decided to be part of India. Only the Pakistanis pretending to be Kashmiris and their supporters like that terrorist Geelani want to join Pakistan. Sorry dude, 2% is actually too high of a number. And, even if Kashmir is given independence, what about Jammu? Ladakh? Since you're Pakistani, you must have some better sense of geography, no?

Actually India's occupation is illegal. Ask any international court. But India knows it will lose so it's scared to bring this issue on the international table.

Which international court? The UN? LOL.. the UK already split India and now there are three countries. India will never let such a debacle happen again. Even the Indian Muslims know that!
 

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Thank god india has a beefy nuclear deterent to protect itself from its belligerent neighbors. Red China escpecially.
 

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There has been many instances where it has been made illegal to fly the U.S. Flag here in the U.S. and more instances popping up everyday.

The soldier who was told to not fly the flag at his home.

The student told not to fly his flag on his bicycle are just recent examples.
True enough - but then I don't consider those instances for reasonable reasons. Rather they are examples of petty left wing authoritarians getting a little power and demonstrating their contempt for their country.