Indian defence minister joins Pakistan pre-emptive strike chorus

[LunarRay]

I'm told one has to look at the big picture.
"While any loss is unfortunate our losses in this war are well within acceptable levels considering the dynamics of the effort..." continuing, Gen. Swartzsomethingorother said " In Desert Storm, a ninety six hour program, we lost one hundred and forty some odd. So the losses in this effort are much lower than we had and they have been going now for over twenty three days".
So remember the big picture provides us the ability to see clearer that which is obscured in the little picture.
SecDef said, "We should look at our own cities during a riot... it is no differn't in Iraq. Stuff happens!"
Well... I guess that put me in my place. I have no adult reason to question, even obliquely the wisdom of "The Plan". Not while we have men and women "over there" putting it on the line.
As Steve Martin use to say " Well... Excuzzzzzzzzzzze Me"
Puzzled by the absence of clarity in the big picture? One must presume that the intentions of the artist are rendered faithfully and under the circumstances a very difficult endevor as only the frame is seen spinning while the aviary hawks drop artistic fluid randomly about the presentation canvas. But! Stuff Happens all the time!

 

[Moonbeam]

HJD1, you saying the chicken hawks are doing the Jackson Pullet?

 

[Phokus]

This is why we should prevent drunken redneck imbeciles from texas from attaining the presidency of the united states.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
HJD1, you saying the chicken hawks are doing the Jackson Pullet?

Ahhh. The Pullet Hawks choose wisely their dinner feast. It's the natural order of things. Upon which rests the final treat to be unfolded. And we the kindly butler serve the master's meal.... so to speak.

 

[AndrewR]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Nope, I've bitten them all off contemplating what Bush will preempt next. I forgot to mention, in regard to your, I hope not, that while there may not be envy, the article makes clear that the Indian notion was in reference to our, US, preemptive doctrine as the claim was made that it was superior, more justified, than our own and with some justification, I think, as AndrewR pointed out.

Lay of the parentheticals, would you?

It's not an issue of "who's war is better". Was there significant justification for waging war against Iraq? Yes. Is there significant justification for India to conduct strikes against Pakistan for their support of terrorist activities in India? Yes. Is there significant justification for an all-out war? Not really.

The difference is that with Iraq, there was a preexisting cease fire which was predicated on Iraq eliminating its weapons of mass destruction, which are hidden throughout the country. Targeted strikes are useless because we do not know where everything is (else we would have found it by now). With India-Pakistan, the border dispute involves terrorist training camps and support for cross-LOC raids, attacks, and infiltrations. India can launch target strikes on known or suspect training camps to interdict the terrorists before they enter India, while on Pakistani soil.

Of course, they risk nuclear war, but that's a separate issue.

 

[Moonbeam]

Well, naturally, the reason they are hidden in Iraq is that we would do the same, bomb, if they were not. Pakistan would quickly do the same if India started bombing, absent an escalation to nuclear war first, of course. Personally i don't see a military solution to the problem of terrorism. We will make our evemies, I think, ever more cleaver and skilled at non detection. We need to fight a war of ideas and a war on the conditions that breed as hate for this life and a yearning to martyr into another.

Edit: It gets us back to the issue of whether we really trust our principles, whether we believe that men are good and move toward truth, or are just dogs to be slaughtered if they oppose us. My personal view is that we have the more powerful truth. We just have to expemlify it and win converts. Everybody wants to be free. We hold these truths to be self evident........

 

[LunarRay]

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It gets us back to the issue of whether we really trust our principles, whether we believe that men are good and move toward truth, or are just dogs to be slaughtered if they oppose us. My personal view is that we have the more powerful truth. We just have to expemlify it and win converts. Everybody wants to be free. We hold these truths to be self evident........[/quote]

Here! Here!

Unless we are in the ...when in the course of human events it becomes nec...

I just heard a talking head on MSNBC say it was Syria next and that it would be a good twofer. That we could use the "Saddam" was allowed in and use it to justify our entry there. Also that the CIA spirited Saddam to Russia for his protection - a rumor circulating about.

...and Brutus is an honorable man.

 

[seawolf21]

Originally posted by: prontospyder

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Originally posted by: prontospyder
India bitter that the US has just toppled their ally's regime?

In what way are India and Iraq (Hussein) allied?

Link

On the one hand, New Delhi has good relations with Baghdad. Traditionally, it has been one of the biggest buyers of Iraqi oil.

Iraq is one of the few countries of the world to support India's stand on Kashmir.

They had a big dilemma when the war started - whether to support it or not.

I hate the burst your bubble. But I believe WE are the biggest buyers of Iraqi oil under the UN food for oil program.

 

[Conky]

Originally posted by: Phokus
This is why we should prevent drunken redneck imbeciles from texas from attaining the presidency of the united states.

Yeah, pretend to be a libertarian. We know you are a Democrat.

No smiley.

 

[Moonbeam]

Not to sever a thread with a sword here, but you don't have to be the biggest to be one of the biggest, no?

 

[abu]

Originally posted by: OFFascist
Meh I dont really care if India nukes Pakistan or vice-versa, just as long as none of our people get killed who are working in the boarder area of Afghanistan/Pakistan. If they do kill our people I say we launch a token nuke at India.

Better they get this out of thier system now while they have shorter range and less powerful weapons.

Then after this the world can be reminded of how dangerous nuclear weapons are, and then the major nuclear armed nations can form an oligarchy to prevent any other nations from becoming nuclear capable, by any means necessary.

You're an idiot.

 

[MadRat]

Rumsfeld has burnt more bridges in the Pentagon than people give him credit for... and believe every word when people say he's a real weiner. Rumsfeld was more concerned with announcing the lock down of Iraqi oil then at least placating the Iraqi people with words of encouragement and signs of humanitarian aid. I almost thought he was condoning civil disorder. Great way to start off the stability process. *cue eyes rolling here*

If Pakistan has to fall for the region to become stable then so be it. Pakistan can be trusted about as much as a pit viper in your bed.

 

[AndrewR]

Originally posted by: MadRat
Rumsfeld has burnt more bridges in the Pentagon than people give him credit for... and believe every word when people say he's a real weiner. Rumsfeld was more concerned with announcing the lock down of Iraqi oil then at least placating the Iraqi people with words of encouragement and signs of humanitarian aid. I almost thought he was condoning civil disorder. Great way to start off the stability process. *cue eyes rolling here*

If Pakistan has to fall for the region to become stable then so be it. Pakistan can be trusted about as much as a pit viper in your bed.

Actually, you can lie on one side of the bed and avoid the pit viper. Pakistan supports "terrorist outreach" programs.