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India now has an aircraft carrier, sort of

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Murloc said:
they're probably kinda useless for Canada anyway, apart for the american invasions you sound more about self-defense than world domination.
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The way things are going, America might end up being a client state shared between Canada and Mexico. Probably for the better too. :sneaky:

Yes, we don't need a big military but more money is being spent to protect our Arctic sovereignty. It's sort of forgotten that Canada shares a sea border with Russia and they've been poking around in Canadian waters. Which is why they're building the multi-use helicopter carriers.

There was talk about upgrading the airforce to the F-35 Lightening II. Though that program has turned into a major fiasco for every nation that's funded it. Not sure what's going on with the orders. Personally I'd like to see an all-Canadian fighter replace the CF-18 Hornet. We were an aerospace leader in the 1950s. Built the best dogfighter and interceptor of the era. Unfortunately, Canadians have an inferiority complex and there's not much desire to fund such ambitious projects.
 
mmntech said:
The way things are going, America might end up being a client state shared between Canada and Mexico. Probably for the better too. :sneaky:

Yes, we don't need a big military but more money is being spent to protect our Arctic sovereignty. It's sort of forgotten that Canada shares a sea border with Russia and they've been poking around in Canadian waters. Which is why they're building the multi-use helicopter carriers.

There was talk about upgrading the airforce to the F-35 Lightening II. Though that program has turned into a major fiasco for every nation that's funded it. Not sure what's going on with the orders. Personally I'd like to see an all-Canadian fighter replace the CF-18 Hornet. We were an aerospace leader in the 1950s. Built the best dogfighter and interceptor of the era. Unfortunately, Canadians have an inferiority complex and there's not much desire to fund such ambitious projects.
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Well, it would also be sort of silly. Who would ever buy our jets other than ourselves once every twenty years or so?
 
That's all we need - more weapons. Sadly, people celebrate and break out champagne bottles over weapons. It's like somebody's getting married or something. Hurray for more weapons.
 
raildogg said:
That's all we need - more weapons. Sadly, people celebrate and break out champagne bottles over weapons. It's like somebody's getting married or something. Hurray for more weapons.
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We should just spend our money on unicorns instead...they will be more effective against those who choose to commit atrocities against us (even though you probably blame our way of life for any such attack)...
 
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mmntech said:
Personally I'd like to see an all-Canadian fighter replace the CF-18 Hornet. We were an aerospace leader in the 1950s. Built the best dogfighter and interceptor of the era. Unfortunately, Canadians have an inferiority complex and there's not much desire to fund such ambitious projects.
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Or we're just not retarded... Designing a 5th gen fighter/bomber from scratch with a minimal aerospace industry is just stupid.
 
we have a non-nimitz class carrier in operation?!

uss america -> wasp class
planes = F35B
i'm assuming f35b is the vtol version of the f35 since the wasp is a short carrier.

and omg what kind of screwups is the f35?! thank god other nations chipped in for the costs
 
It's unfortunate that so many people are ready to discount the Chinese. Their ability to take the long view on many subjects is going to bring them on par with the US in a couple decades. Then these same folks are going to act shocked that the Chinese caught up.

They are stealing designs, copying, and learning. Their jets are poor copies: but they fly. They land. They take off from carriers. So they are learning everything need to know to design their next iteration. Considering their total cash and natural resources, there is nothing stopping them from jumping ahead. Pouring unlimited cash into the projects to pass the Western nations in development over the next 20 years seems pretty inevitable.

In fact, a number of parallels could be drawn between the cold war Russian/US relationship and the new US / China one. Back then, we were the superpower with all the money and we bankrupted another country in an arms race. Shoe's on the other foot now.
 
Pulsar said:
In fact, a number of parallels could be drawn between the cold war Russian/US relationship and the new US / China one. Back then, we were the superpower with all the money and we bankrupted another country in an arms race. Shoe's on the other foot now.
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The US/USSR were able to hone the effectiveness of their weapons/systems in the various conflicts of the Middle East. Chinese hasn't had a chance to use their copies in actual combat which makes a huge difference.
 
The Chinese Navy will be something similar to the Soviet Union Navy. It will be used to intimidate its neighbors, like Vietnam, the Philippines, Taiwan, S. Korea and Japan. It isn't planned to compete with the U.S with bases across the world. like other Asian countries. India has to build up its navy to protect its interests against China. Western European naval power has been on the decline for decades, and will continue to be weakened with budget cuts. Great Britain has a great tradition in developing and operating aircraft carriers, but budget cut has really hurt.
 
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Pulsar said:
It's unfortunate that so many people are ready to discount the Chinese. Their ability to take the long view on many subjects is going to bring them on par with the US in a couple decades. Then these same folks are going to act shocked that the Chinese caught up.

They are stealing designs, copying, and learning. Their jets are poor copies: but they fly. They land. They take off from carriers. So they are learning everything need to know to design their next iteration. Considering their total cash and natural resources, there is nothing stopping them from jumping ahead. Pouring unlimited cash into the projects to pass the Western nations in development over the next 20 years seems pretty inevitable.

In fact, a number of parallels could be drawn between the cold war Russian/US relationship and the new US / China one. Back then, we were the superpower with all the money and we bankrupted another country in an arms race. Shoe's on the other foot now.
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um.. russia tried that throwing $ at tech back during the cold war.
ie: a carrier cost them $10-15B dollars! (it only costs us $5B)

see where it got them
 
JEDI said:
um.. russia tried that throwing $ at tech back during the cold war.
ie: a carrier cost them $10-15B dollars! (it only costs us $5B)

see where it got them
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USSR also didn't make everything for everyone on the planet :biggrin:
 
JEDI said:
um.. russia tried that throwing $ at tech back during the cold war.
ie: a carrier cost them $10-15B dollars! (it only costs us $5B)

see where it got them
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Yeah, they had to learn how to build a carrier, and build it at the same time. Lots of expensive mistakes to be made there.

The USN went through a lot of those growing pains through wwii. I'm sure there were all sorts of issues getting up to nuclear power, but they at least knew what they wanted in terms of decks, elevators, damage control, etc.
 
speaking of $5B carriers, why are we spending $2.5B on aegis missile destroyers?
why not just build another carrier?
 
US didn't really have any learning issues during ww2 as they did fairly extensive prewar testing & design workups. The main thing lacking that they experienced during the war was non-armored flight decks. They even went with the escourt carriers knowing of their limited capabilities just to inscrease the rate at which they could produce floating airports.
 
Because you've got a couple billion of weapon systems sitting on that carrier and you need something to protect it.
 
JEDI said:
we have a non-nimitz class carrier in operation?!

uss america -> wasp class
planes = F35B
i'm assuming f35b is the vtol version of the f35 since the wasp is a short carrier.
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Nimitz is old school now. The Ford class is the new class of carriers

JEDI said:
speaking of $5B carriers, why are we spending $2.5B on aegis missile destroyers?
why not just build another carrier?
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To protect the carrier? I think carriers cost more to operate as well
 
Exterous said:
Nimitz is old school now. The Ford class is the new class of carriers



To protect the carrier? I think carriers cost more to operate as well
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A carrier can't defend itself from guided missile attack like an Aegis can.

Think of a carrier as a floating runway and an Aegis as a floating SAM battery.
 
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