Income Gap Of Poor, Rich, Widens

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
From DWW-

"Nice spin to make it sound unAmerican if you want what is really yours and earned "

"Earned" is an interesting term in that context. Compare the incomes of those in the top 400, averaging $134M/yr, with those at the 90th percentile, who earned less than $134K/yr... and actually paid about the same in federal income taxes, and a much larger percentage in all the other taxes mentioned above...

Were those top 400 over 1000 times smarter, or did they work 1000 times harder, or some combination of the two? Obviously not, given that folks at the 90th percentile are generally extremely intelligent and hardworking. Put that difference in some terms other than luck, if you will, some set of terms to make it morally palatable, to make it seem like it's deserved, actually earned, and I'll be happy to listen...

Until then- check out this nifty little graph, maybe some of the links, if you want to understand reality...

http://www.lcurve.org/

Does the individual bear no responsibility for his well being?

Here's a hint, if you want to earn a good living, get a good education in marketable field or if you aren't intellectually inclined, learn a good trade.

Yeah you need to work hard it not like people who are rich were born with a silver spoon in thier mouth.

 

[1EZduzit]

Here's a tit-for-tat for you:
Why don't you use some of your class envy and robin-hood mentality to actually help people become self-sufficient instead of stealing from those you think have too much. But yeah, I suppose actually trying to help those people isn't your fight - this is all about those evil fscking rich people....

CkG

What do you think he is trying to do? How is a fair wage for a job well done bein a "class envy" or a "robin hood mentality"? BTW, what have you done to help out people that need it? I assume you must have or you wouldn't bew cutting someone else down about it?

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Here's a tit-for-tat for you:
Why don't you use some of your class envy and robin-hood mentality to actually help people become self-sufficient instead of stealing from those you think have too much. But yeah, I suppose actually trying to help those people isn't your fight - this is all about those evil fscking rich people....

CkG

What do you think he is trying to do? How is a fair wage for a job well done bein a "class envy" or a "robin hood mentality"? BTW, what have you done to help out people that need it? I assume you must have or you wouldn't bew cutting someone else down about it?

Well, some folk here took first year economics and stopped there; they must have ended up engineers because they all seem to know everything

So they all think that everyone is paid exactly what they are worth, and (even better!) that everyone places the same value on $1 (which has pretty big implications for what someone does if you give them $1, and what effect it will have on an economy).

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Todd33
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/08/13/national/main635936.shtml

Over two decades, the income gap has steadily increased between the richest Americans, who own homes and stocks and got big tax breaks, and those at the middle and bottom of the pay scale, whose paychecks buy less.

The growing disparity is even more pronounced in this recovering economy. Wages are stagnant and the middle class is shouldering a larger tax burden. Prices for health care, housing, tuition, gas and food have soared.

The wealthiest 20 percent of households in 1973 accounted for 44 percent of total U.S. income, according to the Census Bureau. Their share jumped to 50 percent in 2002, while everyone else's fell. For the bottom fifth, the share dropped from 4.2 percent to 3.5 percent.

New government data also shows that President Bush's tax cuts have shifted the overall tax burden to the middle class from the wealthiest Americans.

I'm not sure anyone can spin this as good news.

"I'm not sure anyone can spin this as good news"

It is if you are a Rich Elitist Neocon.

It is if you are Rush or Hannity or CAD & Co.

It is if you are a Corporate Thug that benefits from all this.

It is if you are a Foreigner like the Sand Thugs that benefit from all this.

The list goes on and on and quite long with this Regime and it's minions.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Riprorin

Originally posted by: conjur
Wealth continues to grow and accumulate, no?

I own a home and stocks and I'm not rich. I've been getting pay raises above the rate of inflation too.

Don't forget that the top 5% wage earners also pay 50% of the taxes.

Don't forget that the top 5% wage earners also pay 50% of the taxes

Excuse me, you should correct such a Lie.

The President just said straight out that those top 5% you speak of "skirt paying Taxes" .

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Nice attack, CkG, along with the usual disinformational spin. I often wonder if you actually believe what you're saying, or if you actually believe in anything beyond greed. One week, you're ranting about limousine liberals, the next, it's class envy...

The subject at hand is really all about greed, and the way it's been marketed as good, and beneficial to us all. Given the explosive growth of income and net worth among the top 1% over the last 20 years, I'd think they'd be more than happy to pay their taxes, given that they're among the lowest in the developed world. But no, all we get is whining about how progressive taxes aren't "fair" and about how much they pay, percentage-wise, and yada, yada, yada... Ignoring the truth, that so-called success in our society is largely a matter of luck rather than work, and also ignoring the simple fact that the illusion of supply side economic success is maintained only by mounting federal debt... Hard work and intelligence won't get you anywhere past upper middle class, no matter what those uber-right think tanks tell you...

Any group whose income and net worth increase in that fashion obviously aren't overtaxed- if anything, given that they're the political donor class, it distorts and corrupts politics in ways all too apparent... Why pay taxes when buying off politicians is cheaper, and you've got the clout to get the job done?

And, of course, the Right never wants to discuss the basis of taxes in the modern state, the principle that we all sacrifice for the common good. Paying SS, Medicare, sales, excise and all the other taxes hidden as fees, folks at the bottom make rather large sacrifices... paying 22.3% on an average income of $134M, as the top 400 do, isn't much of a sacrifice at all, in comparison...

Forty years ago, the wealthy were proud to pay big taxes on big money, more than happy to help build America in that way. And why not? It affected their lifestyles not in the slightest- they still made more than they spent, and invested the rest. Their sacrifice was still small... And then, with the rise of Reaganomics, they got greedy, and found out that they could manipulate the press and the political climate to allow them even more, and more, and more... no longer an issue of economics, it became an issue of power, the power to destroy egalitarian democracy from within... enlisting a lot of bitter middle class chumps with emotional appeals to their twisted belief in things that aren't true... buying them off with chumpchange fake tax cuts, shifting the blame for the country's ills onto the less fortunate, blinding them with faux patriotism...

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, and also of envy... those who attempt to imitate the wealthy in thought and deed are the truly envious. Might be time for those of that particular bent to do a little mirror-check.... Can't see it, can you? of course not....

Great post as usual Jhhn. :thumbsup:

"Forty years ago, the wealthy were proud to pay big taxes on big money, more than happy to help build America in that way. And why not? It affected their lifestyles not in the slightest- they still made more than they spent, and invested the rest. Their sacrifice was still small... And then, with the rise of Reaganomics, they got greedy, and found out that they could manipulate the press and the political climate to allow them even more, and more, and more... no longer an issue of economics, it became an issue of power, the power to destroy egalitarian democracy from within"

The main reason Reaganomics failed and will continue to fail in this Country.

Good point, The Rich are no longer "Proud Americans". I would go as far as saying they are Traitors, Scum. There are some exceptions but few are far between.

All they care about is how much can they get away with not paying Tax by saying they are giving to Charities. Speaking of Charities, what a joke, most have become nothing bit a Rich Boys Club to skirt the Tax system and benefits no one but the Rich themselves.

Democracy, Pfft, who needs that when you can build "Kingdoms" guised in what was a Democracy, that has become the true Mantra of the Rich Elitists, most of whom call themselves Neocons in America.

:thumbsdown: :|

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Here's a tit-for-tat for you:
Why don't you use some of your class envy and robin-hood mentality to actually help people become self-sufficient instead of stealing from those you think have too much. But yeah, I suppose actually trying to help those people isn't your fight - this is all about those evil fscking rich people....

CkG

What do you think he is trying to do? How is a fair wage for a job well done bein a "class envy" or a "robin hood mentality"? BTW, what have you done to help out people that need it? I assume you must have or you wouldn't bew cutting someone else down about it?

This isn't about cutting down those who can't help themselves, nor is this about me. This is about the fact that some of you want to take from those you feel don't need it as much. Well, WTF are you to arbitrarily confiscate money based on your feelings?
This so-called "fair wage" is crap too. Have you ever met someone who thought they got paid "enough"? No, people always think they should be paid more for the work they do. YOU don't get to set what is "fair" -the individual does. The individual isn't FORCED to work for that pay - they can leave that employer anytime they wish. But on the flip side you seem to be the sort that wants to FORCE all employers to pay according to YOUR feelings instead of allowing it to be an individual's choice. Quit trying to play robin hood and try actually helping the people instead of giving them a hand out by stealing from others.
No, I'm not a "have" in the sense people are yapping about here. I make a survivable living now but it hasn't always been that way. Have you tried to raise a kid on $6.40/hr? Exactly... It wasn't what I wanted to do but I did what I had to do. I eventually got myself out of that position and have worked my way to where I am today. It took risks and wasn't easy but it can be done. I moved away from my family to start a different job with only enough money for gas to get there. Eventually I saved enough to find a decent place to move into down here so they could move with me. Bah - like it matters anyway. Some of you won't believe that people control their own destiny and only want to "blame" those who they feel have too much. Now again, I have no problem with helping those who can't help themselves but it's time for more personal responsibility and less reliance on the gov't and confiscating money based on an arbitrary feeling.

Meh - go on hating the "rich" then if it makes you all feel better I guess, but it doesn't make your argument logical.

CkG

 

[irwincur]

Over two decades, the income gap has steadily increased between the richest Americans, who own homes and stocks and got big tax breaks, and those at the middle and bottom of the pay scale, whose paychecks buy less.

Biased BS - the 'and got big tax breaks' exposes this piece. The rich as a percentage or income have never recieved big tax breaks, it is the poor that continue to recieve BIG tax breaks. Did you expect anything better from CBS, probably made this crap up during the latest Gang of 500 call.

For those that do not know the Gang of 500, it is comprised of the top reporters, columnists, and editors that are backing Kerry. They actually have a weekly Monday morning conferene call to plan the weeks attacks on Bush. I bet we will see this exact BS in a few other articles.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: irwincur

Over two decades, the income gap has steadily increased between the richest Americans, who own homes and stocks and got big tax breaks, and those at the middle and bottom of the pay scale, whose paychecks buy less.

Biased BS - the 'and got big tax breaks' exposes this piece. The rich as a percentage or income have never recieved big tax breaks, it is the poor that continue to recieve BIG tax breaks. Did you expect anything better from CBS, probably made this crap up during the latest Gang of 500 call.

For those that do not know the Gang of 500, it is comprised of the top reporters, columnists, and editors that are backing Kerry. They actually have a weekly Monday morning conferene call to plan the weeks attacks on Bush. I bet we will see this exact BS in a few other articles.

Yeah, that part got an eyeroll from me too. People just love to lap up that tripe though as evidenced here in this thread.
Now what is the home ownership rate? Stock ownership rate? Hmmm...

Gotta love the John Madden quote in there though - "middle and bottom of the pay scale, whose paychecks buy less". That's sort of like Madden saying you have to cross the goal line to score a touch-down. Do people not already grasp that a smaller pay check buys less than a big one? Does the author really think their reader is that dumb? Must be it...

CkG

 

[Todd33]

LOL, irwincur. I guess you listen to Rush or some other big fat liar. Maybe you should stick to reality based news and media outlets. But I guess you labled them all biased Kerry fans. Must suck to live is a paranoid right wing world.

it is the poor that continue to recieve BIG tax breaks

Have you read anything on the tax cuts? The poor don't get any, they don't pay federal taxes. Over half of the tax cuts went to the top 1%. That leaves less than half for the other 99%.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Todd33
LOL, irwincur. I guess you listen to Rush or some other big fat liar. Maybe you should stick to reality based news and media outlets. But I guess you labled them all biased Kerry fans. Must suck to live is a paranoid right wing world.

it is the poor that continue to recieve BIG tax breaks

Have you read anything on the tax cuts? The poor don't get any, they don't pay federal taxes. Over half of the tax cuts went to the top 1%. That leaves less than half for the other 99%.

You want to poor to get check from the IRS? Oh wait....that alread happens. :roll: What a crock. The revenue collector is directly redistributing the confiscated cash...how nice.
Oh, and the poor or almost poor got a rate cut from 15% to 10%. I'd bet that 5% means alot to those people....but yeah...this is all about those damn evil "rich" assholes...:roll:

CkG

 

[Todd33]

You want to poor to get check from the IRS? Oh wait....that already happens. What a crock. The revenue collector is directly redistributing the confiscated cash...how nice.
Oh, and the poor or almost poor got a rate cut from 15% to 10%. I'd bet that 5% means alot to those people....but yeah...this is all about those damn evil "rich" assholes.

WTF are you talking about? " redistributing the confiscated cash" Ya, like robin hood, what country do you live in? I've never seen the IRS distributing cash to the poor.

Yes 5% to that bracket is minimal, but it makes for a good rally speech. So much for fiscal conservatives, they are dead. Let's have record spending, a war and give the money back to mostly rich folks. Good plan! Pssst, you have to cut spending if you cut taxes. I know this falls on deaf ears, you anti tax people are all for defense spending, war, foreign military bases, etc. All of this cost money, raised from taxes. You guys are probably all for prison spending too. Anything but giving a leg up to your fellow man via education, assistance, etc. Bombs? sure thing, schools? Fckem.

God forbid you want to make the whole country, everyone in it, better off. As long as you have yours, you are good huh? I wonder how many state and federal programs you anti-tax folks have inadvertantly used? G.I bill? Federal college loans? Highways? Nothing?

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Todd33

You want to poor to get check from the IRS? Oh wait....that already happens. What a crock. The revenue collector is directly redistributing the confiscated cash...how nice.
Oh, and the poor or almost poor got a rate cut from 15% to 10%. I'd bet that 5% means alot to those people....but yeah...this is all about those damn evil "rich" assholes.

WTF are you talking about? " redistributing the confiscated cash" Ya, like robin hood, what country do you live in? I've never seen the IRS distributing cash to the poor.

Yes 5% to that bracket is minimal, but it makes for a good rally speech. So much for fiscal conservatives, they are dead. Let's have record spending, a war and give the money back to mostly rich folks. Good plan! Pssst, you have to cut spending if you cut taxes. I know this falls on deaf ears, you anti tax people are all for defense spending, war, foreign military bases, etc. All of this cost money, raised from taxes. You guys are probably all for prison spending too. Anything but giving a leg up to your fellow man via education, assistance, etc. Bombs? sure thing, schools? Fckem.

God forbid you want to make the whole country, everyone in it, better off. As long as you have yours, you are good huh? I wonder how many state and federal programs you anti-tax folks have inadvertantly used? G.I bill? Federal college loans? Highways? Nothing?

Didn't you know? The float around the world like the Mother Superior in the Blues Brother.

 

[Ethex]

Lets remember this country was founded because People didn't want to pay their taxes

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Ethex
Lets remember this country was founded because People didn't want to pay their taxes

Ahhh, so that's it.

The Rich Elitist Neocons are already engaging in a new Revolution, why didn't they just say so???

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Todd33

You want to poor to get check from the IRS? Oh wait....that already happens. What a crock. The revenue collector is directly redistributing the confiscated cash...how nice.
Oh, and the poor or almost poor got a rate cut from 15% to 10%. I'd bet that 5% means alot to those people....but yeah...this is all about those damn evil "rich" assholes.

WTF are you talking about? " redistributing the confiscated cash" Ya, like robin hood, what country do you live in? I've never seen the IRS distributing cash to the poor.

Yes 5% to that bracket is minimal, but it makes for a good rally speech. So much for fiscal conservatives, they are dead. Let's have record spending, a war and give the money back to mostly rich folks. Good plan! Pssst, you have to cut spending if you cut taxes. I know this falls on deaf ears, you anti tax people are all for defense spending, war, foreign military bases, etc. All of this cost money, raised from taxes. You guys are probably all for prison spending too. Anything but giving a leg up to your fellow man via education, assistance, etc. Bombs? sure thing, schools? Fckem.

God forbid you want to make the whole country, everyone in it, better off. As long as you have yours, you are good huh? I wonder how many state and federal programs you anti-tax folks have inadvertantly used? G.I bill? Federal college loans? Highways? Nothing?

Guess you don't know much about our tax code then. The Treasury cuts the checks to people who file with the IRS when they pay negative taxes. EIC and other such "credits" make our code such that people who pay/owe little or nothing in taxes on their earnings actually get more back then they may have paid in over the year. Incase you still don't understand - people actually MAKE money by filing taxes. This should never be the case. It should always be a "net 0" situation with taxes.

Pssttt - No you don't have to have spending cuts to go along with tax cuts. In our current situation that would be preferrable to take care of the deficit but that that doesn't mean it has to be done.
I'd prefer we concentrate on the spending issues rather than hearing you guys whine about the "rich"...but then you'd whine about all the wonderful programs the gov't has put in place if they were put on the chopping block.
:roll: more dishonesty from the rich haters - I'm not "anti-tax". I'm anti-tax based on arbitrary feelings -which is what you "progressive" redistributionists have bought into.

CkG

 

[imported_tss4]

Originally posted by: Ethex
Lets remember this country was founded because People didn't want to pay their taxes

because they had no representation.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: tss4

Originally posted by: Ethex
Lets remember this country was founded because People didn't want to pay their taxes

because they had no representation.

and we don't again, unless of course you are one of the Rich Elitist's.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
:roll: more dishonesty from the rich haters - I'm not "anti-tax". I'm anti-tax based on arbitrary feelings -which is what you "progressive" redistributionists have bought into.

CkG

Nothing arbitrary about the President actually saying straight out that "the Rich avoid paying taxes".

I notice you are ignoring that thread with the Dubya's statement of fact, which is so rare for him.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: tss4

Originally posted by: Ethex
Lets remember this country was founded because People didn't want to pay their taxes

because they had no representation.

and we don't again, unless of course you are one of the Rich Elitist's.

If you choose not to take part in the gov't or vote then it is YOUR choice, but it doesn't mean you aren't represented.

CkG

 

[imported_tss4]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Todd33

You want to poor to get check from the IRS? Oh wait....that already happens. What a crock. The revenue collector is directly redistributing the confiscated cash...how nice.
Oh, and the poor or almost poor got a rate cut from 15% to 10%. I'd bet that 5% means alot to those people....but yeah...this is all about those damn evil "rich" assholes.

WTF are you talking about? " redistributing the confiscated cash" Ya, like robin hood, what country do you live in? I've never seen the IRS distributing cash to the poor.

Yes 5% to that bracket is minimal, but it makes for a good rally speech. So much for fiscal conservatives, they are dead. Let's have record spending, a war and give the money back to mostly rich folks. Good plan! Pssst, you have to cut spending if you cut taxes. I know this falls on deaf ears, you anti tax people are all for defense spending, war, foreign military bases, etc. All of this cost money, raised from taxes. You guys are probably all for prison spending too. Anything but giving a leg up to your fellow man via education, assistance, etc. Bombs? sure thing, schools? Fckem.

God forbid you want to make the whole country, everyone in it, better off. As long as you have yours, you are good huh? I wonder how many state and federal programs you anti-tax folks have inadvertantly used? G.I bill? Federal college loans? Highways? Nothing?

Guess you don't know much about our tax code then. The Treasury cuts the checks to people who file with the IRS when they pay negative taxes. EIC and other such "credits" make our code such that people who pay/owe little or nothing in taxes on their earnings actually get more back then they may have paid in over the year. Incase you still don't understand - people actually MAKE money by filing taxes. This should never be the case. It should always be a "net 0" situation with taxes.

Pssttt - No you don't have to have spending cuts to go along with tax cuts. In our current situation that would be preferrable to take care of the deficit but that that doesn't mean it has to be done.
I'd prefer we concentrate on the spending issues rather than hearing you guys whine about the "rich"...but then you'd whine about all the wonderful programs the gov't has put in place if they were put on the chopping block.
:roll: more dishonesty from the rich haters - I'm not "anti-tax". I'm anti-tax based on arbitrary feelings -which is what you "progressive" redistributionists have bought into.

CkG

You guys do realize that just about every country in the world has a progressive tax system. What is it exactly that you want? Are you agruing that we should have a flat tax, the rich should have their share of the taxes reduced, that it just stays the same or what? You guys are bickering back and forth but what you actually think should be done is unclear. I think its kind of funny that I get called liberal just because I don't think the tax cuts for the rich were a good idea. Its not that I want to increase their taxes, I just wanted to be more responsible about the federal budget first. You know years ago that would have been a republican ideal. I liked those republicans, the ones that wanted to be fiscally responsible.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
:roll: more dishonesty from the rich haters - I'm not "anti-tax". I'm anti-tax based on arbitrary feelings -which is what you "progressive" redistributionists have bought into.

CkG

Nothing arbitrary about the President actually saying straight out that "the Rich avoid paying taxes".

I notice you are ignoring that thread with the Dubya's statement of fact, which is so rare for him.

And you still haven't processed that statement. You've only tried to twist it to fit into your little agenda. There is nothing more to say in that thread because others have already discussed what that statement is. It's an honest statement based on our complicated system. Do you not want a simpler and more transparent system dave? OR do you want to keep the current system that tells people who make more money that the gov't is going to take a bigger percentage of their earnings based on some progressive redistributionist's(liberals) feelings.

I know which I vote for.

CkG

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: tss4
You guys do realize that just about every country in the world has a progressive tax system. What is it exactly that you want? Are you agruing that we should have a flat tax, the rich should have their share of the taxes reduced, that it just stays the same or what? You guys are bickering back and forth but what you actually think should be done is unclear. I think its kind of funny that I get called liberal just because I don't think the tax cuts for the rich were a good idea. Its not that I want to increase their taxes, I just wanted to be more responsible about the federal budget first. You know years ago that would have been a republican ideal. I liked those republicans, the ones that wanted to be fiscally responsible.

Like I said - I'd love to see the Fed's budget slashed - regardless of there being tax-cuts or not. The issue of the tax-cuts was to put money into the system -which it has done and was needed due to the recession we had(due to a multitude of reasons). Now some don't believe in tax-cuts but the proof is in the pudding. It has worked before and it is working this time. Sure I'd like to see a smaller Fed budget and I've on many occasions ranted on and on about it.
Now as to this "progressive" BS. It's a flawed system based on arbitrary feelings. If you are going to tax people you need to tax based on their usage or just make it so everyone pays the same amount(rate) based on how you want to collect the tax. Taxing labor isn't the best solution because not everyone works and then the whiners bleat about the "rich" having the stockmarket "scam" or whatever other nonesense they want to spew. So you tax usage - a consumption tax of sorts. Those that use - pay. Those that don't - don't. Ofcourse you'll have the whiners complaining that only the "rich" will be able to afford certain things though. But even as it sits now, with this wonderful "progressive" tax system taxing labor - you have the whiners who don't think the "rich" pay enough. ....and people claim this isn't about "envy" Pfffttt.
*******

Meh - people can keep on hating the "rich" if they want thought...someday the "rich" might just catch wind of your hate and fire your worthless ass and then you'll be out of a job.

This whole issue is asinine because you won't ever have a society that everyone has equal wealth. So the question becomes - how "fair" does it need to be before you people are happy? How close does this so-called "gap" need to be before you all quit whining? Yeah....figures...

CkG

 

[imported_tss4]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: tss4
You guys do realize that just about every country in the world has a progressive tax system. What is it exactly that you want? Are you agruing that we should have a flat tax, the rich should have their share of the taxes reduced, that it just stays the same or what? You guys are bickering back and forth but what you actually think should be done is unclear. I think its kind of funny that I get called liberal just because I don't think the tax cuts for the rich were a good idea. Its not that I want to increase their taxes, I just wanted to be more responsible about the federal budget first. You know years ago that would have been a republican ideal. I liked those republicans, the ones that wanted to be fiscally responsible.

Like I said - I'd love to see the Fed's budget slashed - regardless of there being tax-cuts or not. The issue of the tax-cuts was to put money into the system -which it has done and was needed due to the recession we had(due to a multitude of reasons). Now some don't believe in tax-cuts but the proof is in the pudding. It has worked before and it is working this time. Sure I'd like to see a smaller Fed budget and I've on many occasions ranted on and on about it.
Now as to this "progressive" BS. It's a flawed system based on arbitrary feelings. If you are going to tax people you need to tax based on their usage or just make it so everyone pays the same amount(rate) based on how you want to collect the tax. Taxing labor isn't the best solution because not everyone works and then the whiners bleat about the "rich" having the stockmarket "scam" or whatever other nonesense they want to spew. So you tax usage - a consumption tax of sorts. Those that use - pay. Those that don't - don't. Ofcourse you'll have the whiners complaining that only the "rich" will be able to afford certain things though. But even as it sits now, with this wonderful "progressive" tax system taxing labor - you have the whiners who don't think the "rich" pay enough. ....and people claim this isn't about "envy" Pfffttt.
*******

Meh - people can keep on hating the "rich" if they want thought...someday the "rich" might just catch wind of your hate and fire your worthless ass and then you'll be out of a job.

This whole issue is asinine because you won't ever have a society that everyone has equal wealth. So the question becomes - how "fair" does it need to be before you people are happy? How close does this so-called "gap" need to be before you all quit whining? Yeah....figures...

CkG

Look, like I said almost every country in the world uses a progressive system. The simple truth of the matter is poor people cannot pay their fair share. they are allready struggling to survive. As to the use of tax cuts to stimulate the economy why are you so sure that giving the rich a higher percentage drop in taxes more effectivelly stimulates the economy? I can just as easily make the arguement that a tax cut for poor people and the middle class will result in a bigger boom for the economy. Poor people and the middle class have to spend their money. They will increase the demand for goods and services in turn. That's good for business. Rich people don't have to spend that money.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Here's a tit-for-tat for you:
Why don't you use some of your class envy and robin-hood mentality to actually help people become self-sufficient instead of stealing from those you think have too much. But yeah, I suppose actually trying to help those people isn't your fight - this is all about those evil fscking rich people....

CkG

What do you think he is trying to do? How is a fair wage for a job well done bein a "class envy" or a "robin hood mentality"? BTW, what have you done to help out people that need it? I assume you must have or you wouldn't bew cutting someone else down about it?

This isn't about cutting down those who can't help themselves, nor is this about me. This is about the fact that some of you want to take from those you feel don't need it as much. Well, WTF are you to arbitrarily confiscate money based on your feelings?
This so-called "fair wage" is crap too. Have you ever met someone who thought they got paid "enough"? No, people always think they should be paid more for the work they do. YOU don't get to set what is "fair" -the individual does. The individual isn't FORCED to work for that pay - they can leave that employer anytime they wish. But on the flip side you seem to be the sort that wants to FORCE all employers to pay according to YOUR feelings instead of allowing it to be an individual's choice. Quit trying to play robin hood and try actually helping the people instead of giving them a hand out by stealing from others.
No, I'm not a "have" in the sense people are yapping about here. I make a survivable living now but it hasn't always been that way. Have you tried to raise a kid on $6.40/hr? Exactly... It wasn't what I wanted to do but I did what I had to do. I eventually got myself out of that position and have worked my way to where I am today. It took risks and wasn't easy but it can be done. I moved away from my family to start a different job with only enough money for gas to get there. Eventually I saved enough to find a decent place to move into down here so they could move with me. Bah - like it matters anyway. Some of you won't believe that people control their own destiny and only want to "blame" those who they feel have too much. Now again, I have no problem with helping those who can't help themselves but it's time for more personal responsibility and less reliance on the gov't and confiscating money based on an arbitrary feeling.

Meh - go on hating the "rich" then if it makes you all feel better I guess, but it doesn't make your argument logical.

CkG

You know, I sat down and spent 20 minutes writing a reply to this, but before I posted it I refreshed and read all the latest posts. I then deleted my reply because it is obvious to me that you are just like a ricochet off a flat rock. You respond to posts without having read them through, your shooting from the hip most of the time, your responses are emotional and personal yet you critisize others for that, and last but not least you actually believe the drivel. You remind me of Rush as he sat there critizing the drug addicts when he was abusing drugs himself. The double standard is getting so bad that it is going to be the ruin of this country. That is the main reason I will be voting for Kerry. I'm an avid hunter and a fiscal conservative, but we need to get rid of the ultra conservative judges and bring more of a balance to this country and anybody who can't see that is just a damn fool or just doesn't want to admit it because their pocketbook is more important to them then their freedom.

That's all folks.