Inauguration Security....what a joke

conjur

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Man in van near White House to be arraigned
Police say threat of explosion prompted huge security alert, standoff
http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/01/19/van.man.hearing/
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- -- A man in a van, who held authorities at bay for more than four hours near the White House after threatening to ignite a substance inside the vehicle, will be arraigned in U.S. District Court Wednesday morning, metropolitan police said.

Lowell Timmers, 54, of Cedar Springs, Michigan, will be charged under a federal law that prohibits "any threat" to do harm or damage with fire or explosives.

The incident prompted a massive response from the FBI, Secret Service and other law enforcement agencies. Nearby buildings were evacuated and several blocks were shut down.

Timmers surrendered to authorities around 8 p.m., according to police.

Metropolitan Police Department spokesman Joe Gentile said Timmers pulled up to the corner of White House grounds -- at 15th Street and Pennsylvania Avenue -- around 3:30 p.m. and told a member of the Secret Service "he had some type of substance in the vehicle, which he could detonate or ignite."

The FBI, Secret Service, U.S. Park Police, metro police and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives responded. Authorities boxed the car in, which was parked along the parade route that President Bush will be taking for Thursday's inauguration.

Gentile said they were eventually able to negotiate with the man, who decided to turn himself in. It was not immediately clear what, if any, type of substance was in the van.

An FBI official said the incident appeared to be related to a domestic dispute, not terrorism. The man in the vehicle, registered in Michigan, told authorities that he recently lost custody of his child and he then threatened to blow up a 15-gallon canister of gasoline if he didn't get the child back, the FBI official said.

Security has been bolstered throughout Washington in the days before Bush's inauguration.
$19 million spent on security and this guy gets that close to the White House?

Yeah...Homeland Security is on the ball! America and the world are a safer place without Saddam in power.
 

daveshel

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Originally posted by: conjur

Yeah...Homeland Security is on the ball! America and the world are a safer place without Saddam in power.

How do you suppose they could have interdicted him?
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: daveshel
Originally posted by: conjur

Yeah...Homeland Security is on the ball! America and the world are a safer place without Saddam in power.
How do you suppose they could have interdicted him?
They supposedly have the whole area around the White House in lockdown. At least that's what I've been hearing on the news. How'd this guy get through?
 

daveshel

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: daveshel
Originally posted by: conjur

Yeah...Homeland Security is on the ball! America and the world are a safer place without Saddam in power.
How do you suppose they could have interdicted him?
They supposedly have the whole area around the White House in lockdown. At least that's what I've been hearing on the news. How'd this guy get through?

Have you been there? I don't see how that area could be locked down. I guess this falls into a 'be careful what you wish for' scenario in terms of deploying domestic surveillance.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: daveshel
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: daveshel
Originally posted by: conjur

Yeah...Homeland Security is on the ball! America and the world are a safer place without Saddam in power.
How do you suppose they could have interdicted him?
They supposedly have the whole area around the White House in lockdown. At least that's what I've been hearing on the news. How'd this guy get through?
Have you been there? I don't see how that area could be locked down. I guess this falls into a 'be careful what you wish for' scenario in terms of deploying domestic surveillance.
The point is all of this money is being spent on outrageous levels of security (at a time when America and the world are safer) and this still happens.


It's a freakin' joke.
 

lozina

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stop fooling yourself with these trivial details (was probably staged by vast liberal conspiracy anyway). We are much safer now.
 

Mursilis

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: daveshel
Originally posted by: conjur

Yeah...Homeland Security is on the ball! America and the world are a safer place without Saddam in power.
How do you suppose they could have interdicted him?
They supposedly have the whole area around the White House in lockdown. At least that's what I've been hearing on the news. How'd this guy get through?

The man pulled his van over on a public street - he didn't 'get through' anything. I saw where he parked his van myself - anyone could've stopped their car there.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: daveshel
Originally posted by: conjur

Yeah...Homeland Security is on the ball! America and the world are a safer place without Saddam in power.
How do you suppose they could have interdicted him?
They supposedly have the whole area around the White House in lockdown. At least that's what I've been hearing on the news. How'd this guy get through?
The man pulled his van over on a public street - he didn't 'get through' anything. I saw where he parked his van myself - anyone could've stopped their car there.
Wow...such security. They could have paid me half that $19 million and I'd have cordoned off the area around the White House.
 

nutxo

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Must of had NASCAR sticker on his bumper.


A little inconsistent there Red. One day it's all the NASCAR people that support Bush, the next it's the NASCAR people that want to bow him up.

Hell. I'd bet more heavily on Dave takin a shot at the pres than any other person I've ever met..
 

AndrewR

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: daveshel
Originally posted by: conjur

Yeah...Homeland Security is on the ball! America and the world are a safer place without Saddam in power.
How do you suppose they could have interdicted him?
They supposedly have the whole area around the White House in lockdown. At least that's what I've been hearing on the news. How'd this guy get through?
The man pulled his van over on a public street - he didn't 'get through' anything. I saw where he parked his van myself - anyone could've stopped their car there.
Wow...such security. They could have paid me half that $19 million and I'd have cordoned off the area around the White House.

Your little dipshit theory is blown apart, and you still can't admit it. Funny!
 

phillyTIM

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its a joke that they need to spend $20 million dollars on security for this wretched event, when that money could be going to help keep our troops alive in this "time of war".
 

Linflas

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: daveshel
Originally posted by: conjur

Yeah...Homeland Security is on the ball! America and the world are a safer place without Saddam in power.
How do you suppose they could have interdicted him?
They supposedly have the whole area around the White House in lockdown. At least that's what I've been hearing on the news. How'd this guy get through?
The man pulled his van over on a public street - he didn't 'get through' anything. I saw where he parked his van myself - anyone could've stopped their car there.
Wow...such security. They could have paid me half that $19 million and I'd have cordoned off the area around the White House.

Just to cut through all the news hype and provide basic information if you look at any map of DC the area what has been permanently closed to vehicular traffic is the area around the White House bounded by 17th Street on the West, 15th Street on the east, The Ellipse on the south, and Pennsylvania Avenue on the north. Vehicles are still allowed to traverse 15th and 17th streets running north and south, Constitution Avenue running east/west, and H street running east and west 1 block north of Pennsylvania Avenue which has been closed since right after the Oklahoma City Federal Building was bombed.

As for the inaugural security they implemented that last evening by closing a much larger area of downtown until 4:00 AM Friday morning. This incident took place prior to that shutdown.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: phillyTIM
its a joke that they need to spend $20 million dollars on security for this wretched event, when that money could be going to help keep our troops alive in this "time of war".
And D.C. isn't to be reimbursed as it has been in the past.

The last inauguration cost D.C. $8 million and they were reimbursed for all of it.
 

arsbanned

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Originally posted by: daveshel
Originally posted by: conjur

Yeah...Homeland Security is on the ball! America and the world are a safer place without Saddam in power.

How do you suppose they could have interdicted him?

That's not our fcking job. That's the job of homeland insecurity. Perhaps the same way they interdicted the 9/11 bombers.
 

phillyTIM

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DC sure as hell should be re-imbursed for lettin' this heil bush turkey out of the coop to flock his feathers and drop his s#it around town. this is atrocious, this abuse of money for bush's own self-induldgence, especially when DC has a budget mess and that money could go to save a number of our troops' lives.