Inability to have a civil discussion

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ivwshane

Lifer
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What happened to searching for the truth? When did confirmation bias become so prevalent?
 

pmv

Lifer
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Ah, yes. Also part of the problem is human nature.

...people really do just agree to whatever ideas comfort them.

See, that's very much what I've concluded...that people believe what it benefits them to believe...but then I apply that idea to itself and I get very confused.
 

HomerJS

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I have noticed a lot of people who are unable to have a discussion without insulting someone's intelligence or acting civilly. Seems to be a large number of people from both sides of the political spectrum. Why are they such babies?.
Like @soundforbjt said...
 

Moonbeam

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I have noticed a lot of people who are unable to have a discussion without insulting someone's intelligence or acting civilly. Seems to be a large number of people from both sides of the political spectrum. Why are they such babies?.
Let me ask you a question and see if you would be willing to discuss it. Why would you say that a large number of people are unable to have a discussion without insulting someone’s intelligence or without acting civilly when in fact that behavior defines being unable to have a discussion in the first place?

In my opinion, then, the question I would ask is why are so many people unwilling to discuss things. Now ask yourself what you mean by calling such people babies? Is that insulting and uncivil or simply a fact? What was your aim? Have you become frustrated that others seem to reject your opinions and attack you personally, or are you struggling with the right words to use to describe what you wish to imply by the perhaps ill chosen use of the word ‘babies’? How does a person who does not wish to offend speak about truths that others may find offensive?

My personal opinion is that truth and what we wish the truth to be are the same thing only after we have died to any hope of that being so.

We make the mistake, in my opinion, of referring to people as babies because there is much greater wisdom in the saying, that except as we be like children we will not enter the kingdom of heaven, than we can credit.

You really mean easily triggered when using the term babies, but we do so because we hold innocence of children in contempt as that was where we learned to hate ourselves.

It’s hard to discuss things if the discussion begins to awaken how we really feel.
 

Moonbeam

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See, that's very much what I've concluded...that people believe what it benefits them to believe...but then I apply that idea to itself and I get very confused.
To approach paradox is to approach truth. The truth is the resolution of opposites at a higher level of understanding. Consider this catch 22:

Suppose you believe a lie that is actually not true but you are consciously unaware that you do. Suppose it is a repressed memory and repressed because at the time you experienced it the pain was impossible to consciously bear. Let’s say you feel worthless but it’s factually a lie. From one point of view, the point of view of the ego, the armor we wear to keep the feelings unconscious, it is of great benefit to deny the truth of our inner condition because to remember and relive the pain would be excruciating. But from the point of view of mental health one would gain enormously if it meant realizing how you cane to believe the lie that we are worthless.